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Writers Guild Strike 2023
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moonarchia
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Rule 34 is going to become even more awesome.
Voice actors denounce exploitative AI at Comic-Con
Members of SAG-AFTRA and the National Association of Voice Actors united at San Diego Comic-Con to address the threat of artificial intelligence technology.ew.com
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What these TurboTards don't understand is soon enough all actors will be 100% AI and they don't have to care about some cunt douches ego and likeness. The new AI actors will never grow old, will never call in sick, can't get injured, go off and rape kids, or snort lines off hookers asses. Meanwhile they never have to care about these unions again, yes they can keep their likeness for now but long term they are as useless as the Mc.Donalds worker when a fully automatic store goes online.
The goblins will love it because they don't have to pay these whiny cunts a dime and get to keep their goblin gold to themselves. Hell if anything they can probably get around making virtual Al Pachino by adding a disclaimer to the start of movies that any likeness is unintentional.
Actors should be regulated to below whores in our society back where they used to be.
The goblins will love it because they don't have to pay these whiny cunts a dime and get to keep their goblin gold to themselves. Hell if anything they can probably get around making virtual Al Pachino by adding a disclaimer to the start of movies that any likeness is unintentional.
Actors should be regulated to below whores in our society back where they used to be.
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moonarchia
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All professions that have become lying for a living should be considered that way. Acting, journalism, and politicians.
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OU Ariakas
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Voice actors denounce exploitative AI at Comic-Con
Members of SAG-AFTRA and the National Association of Voice Actors united at San Diego Comic-Con to address the threat of artificial intelligence technology.
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It is funny that this could all be solved by both sides agreeing that each work is separate, gets paid a set amount of money for set amount of work, and that nothing in that work can be reused without a new contract for the new work. But the greedy motherfuckers who run the studios want to be able to use the actors for anything else and the greedy actors want to be paid every time the fucking work is aired and so we get dumb shit like the article above. If the actors/writers want to be paid in perpetuity, then the studio heads are going to make that money back by using their shit in perpetuity.
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Gravel
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Chanur
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Yeah the problem is with streaming they don't have reruns. So no one is paying the studio every time a channel wants to air the show. That's how residuals are funded.
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OU Ariakas
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I understand that, you understand that, but it seems like people keep trying to tell us how residuals work like we are idiots.
Streaming changed the industry and now the model for pay has to change, and not just tweaked here and there with new terms.
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Malakriss
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Even with an agreement on voice acting that covers individual vs studio ownership there does need to be an underlying law for when the rule 34ers or animators try to sell AI voices through patreon. Nexusmod content is never going to change but there does need to be a framework to crack down before it goes full wild westworld.
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This cuts to the core of it. There are so many actors and writers looking to "make it" and that they'll accept dumpster wages for the chance. Everyone wants to get the cut of the pie given to those that can sell tickets, but not everyone can justify it. Meanwhile Hollywood producers have to strategically and endlessly fight against ridiculous primadonnas in order to move forward.
I doubt we'll get to the point (in my lifetime anyway) where people will be generally interested in movies with artificial actors playing lead roles. CG in movies is only becoming better and cheaper, but The human connection and legacy of an actor is too ingrained in people's psyches for an AI to garner the same star power. People crave reality, and that's a good thing. My favorite movie is Fury Road because when there are bikers flying through the air, that happened.
That being said, I think the field is ripe for some group to create a persistent AI character that has some kind of LLM backing it with consistent and perpetual training and some form of distributed access. Some mix of Miquela (@lilmiquela) • Instagram photos and videos , Tay (Microsoft chatbot) etc with a distinguished personality and look that has limited involvement in cinema/broadcasting and can do live interviews with generated and uncurated responses. This would probably be improved with a real person who looks similar to the AI being a key part of the ML process and acting as a standin for the digital actor that is added later. We'll see what form that takes but I think that is coming in a big way within a few years.
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That ship sailed decades ago. The current law is as good as it's going to get. If someone starts making money off a copyrighted IP the copyright holder can sue them for damages. Plenty of artists and animators have run into that. AI is going to flat out annhilate that because the copyright holders aren't going to be able to prove something is theirs. Different hair color? Eye color? Etc. Etc. Wish.com off brand everything doing anything your perverted heart could ever think about. It is also going to torpedo brand value across the board for the same reason, which is going to hit the MAFIAA in the checkbook the hardest.
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This is a good thing in the long run as it will hopefully encourage development of a media authentication system. Though, given the context of the thread, it will probably end up half assed and stupidly expensive.
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Actors’ Strike Hits Influencers: Social Media Stars Cancel Promo Deals After SAG-AFTRA Bars Them From Working With Studios
Social media influencers are risking future actor’s guild membership if they promote films like Barbie, Haunted Mansion or Meg 2: The Trench.
www.forbes.com
Key Facts
SAG-AFTRA has told social media influencers that even if they aren't a member of the guild, they'll be barred from ever joining if they cross the picket line by accepting work for struck studios or steaming services during the strike, and warned against posting in support of the studios’ movies even as a fan.
Commercial work, brand deals and posts that were under contract before the strike began are still allowed per the guild's influencer agreement, but they're expected to hold off on any paid or unpaid promotions of struck work until after the strike ends, or they’ll have crossed the picket line and will never be admitted to the union, SAG-AFTRA has said.
The warning has caused influencers in various spheres to halt any planned content they were not already under contract to promote, reject what could have been lucrative partnerships or speak out on the strike, including TikTok star Darcy Michael, Courtney Quinn of Instagram fame and Juju Green, who has 3.4 million TikTok followers under the account name Straw Hat Goofy.
Michael, who posts videos with his husband Jeremy Baer under the TikTok account @thedarcymichael, told the New York Times he was offered a $25,000 sponsored deal with an unspecified network leading up to the strike but decided not to take it after realizing the impending work stoppage was probably what drove up the price in the first place, saying he told his team "We're not crossing picket lines."
TikToker Straw Hat Goofy made a video that said he would still make content about struck studio's productions, attend premieres and take brand deals before posting an apology video calling the original skit "tone deaf" and saying he has no interest in joining either the actors’ or writers’ unions.
Quinn, who has 1.2 million Instagram, YouTube and TikTok followers under her brands @colormecourtney and @colormemagic, explained Sunday that she won’t post 15 already-shot posts and videos promoting the Barbie movie and changed the theme of her birthday party, also centered around the film, because she said she supports the union.
Erin Orsi said in a video that garnered 79,000 views that she was offered $5,000—a large sum for her comparatively small number of 19,000 TikTok followers—"to promote for a household name movie brand,” but turned it down because she didn't want to "scab" or be "blacklisted from any future union activities or productions."
Crucial Quote
“If you are a content creator or influencer with any aspirations to become an actor or a writer in the future, now is not the time to take a job because the rest of us are on strike,” Franchesca Ramsey, a member of SAG-AFTRA and the striking Writers Guild of America, said. “It will hurt your career.”
Vanity Fair Campaign Hollywood and TikTok Celebrate Vanities: A Night For Young Hollywood - Arrivals
The SAG-AFTRA union went on strike July 13 at midnight, after the union and major Hollywood studios failed to reach a new contract. SAG-AFTRA is pushing to limit how actors’ likenesses are used by artificial intelligence and secure higher residual payments on streaming platforms. The union, which represents 160,000 members, joins 11,500 striking members of the Writers Guild of America to create Hollywood's largest work stoppage in more than 60 years. WGA members are also fighting for AI technology safeguards, as well as streaming residuals and mandatory staffing, among other protections. The SAG-AFTRA strike has shut down a majority of scripted film and television production using union members and also keeps members from doing any promotional work like attending red carpets or doing press. SAG-AFTRA’s national executive director Duncan Crabtree-Ireland told the Washington Post the union is using the strike to encourage creators to join because of their connections to tech giants like Apple and Amazon, which have also entered the production space with popular shows like Ted Lasso, The Morning Show and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
Tangent
Social media posts from fans and influencers were seemingly unavoidable leading up to the record-breaking release of Warner Bros. Discovery’s Barbie this weekend, but the most-attended event by content creators—the world premiere in Los Angeles that saw the attendance of big-time influencers like David Dobrik, Alix Earle and Francesca Farago—happened four days before the SAG-AFTRA strike officially began. Others, like Quinn, have posted promotions since but made it clear they were under contract before the strike began, which is in compliance with union rules. The premiere of Disney’s upcoming Haunted Mansion, which took place last Monday after the strike started, was skipped by stars like Tiffany Haddish, Danny DeVito and Jamie Lee Curtis in solidarity with the strike, the Los Angeles Times reported. Influencers who attended that premiere were already told they could walk the red carpet, per Deadline.
Big Number
$480 billion. That's how much Goldman Sachs expects the creator economy to be worth by 2027. Today, it's worth an estimated $250 billion.
SAG-AFTRA has told social media influencers that even if they aren't a member of the guild, they'll be barred from ever joining if they cross the picket line by accepting work for struck studios or steaming services during the strike, and warned against posting in support of the studios’ movies even as a fan.
Commercial work, brand deals and posts that were under contract before the strike began are still allowed per the guild's influencer agreement, but they're expected to hold off on any paid or unpaid promotions of struck work until after the strike ends, or they’ll have crossed the picket line and will never be admitted to the union, SAG-AFTRA has said.
The warning has caused influencers in various spheres to halt any planned content they were not already under contract to promote, reject what could have been lucrative partnerships or speak out on the strike, including TikTok star Darcy Michael, Courtney Quinn of Instagram fame and Juju Green, who has 3.4 million TikTok followers under the account name Straw Hat Goofy.
Michael, who posts videos with his husband Jeremy Baer under the TikTok account @thedarcymichael, told the New York Times he was offered a $25,000 sponsored deal with an unspecified network leading up to the strike but decided not to take it after realizing the impending work stoppage was probably what drove up the price in the first place, saying he told his team "We're not crossing picket lines."
TikToker Straw Hat Goofy made a video that said he would still make content about struck studio's productions, attend premieres and take brand deals before posting an apology video calling the original skit "tone deaf" and saying he has no interest in joining either the actors’ or writers’ unions.
Quinn, who has 1.2 million Instagram, YouTube and TikTok followers under her brands @colormecourtney and @colormemagic, explained Sunday that she won’t post 15 already-shot posts and videos promoting the Barbie movie and changed the theme of her birthday party, also centered around the film, because she said she supports the union.
Erin Orsi said in a video that garnered 79,000 views that she was offered $5,000—a large sum for her comparatively small number of 19,000 TikTok followers—"to promote for a household name movie brand,” but turned it down because she didn't want to "scab" or be "blacklisted from any future union activities or productions."
Crucial Quote
“If you are a content creator or influencer with any aspirations to become an actor or a writer in the future, now is not the time to take a job because the rest of us are on strike,” Franchesca Ramsey, a member of SAG-AFTRA and the striking Writers Guild of America, said. “It will hurt your career.”
Vanity Fair Campaign Hollywood and TikTok Celebrate Vanities: A Night For Young Hollywood - Arrivals
The SAG-AFTRA union went on strike July 13 at midnight, after the union and major Hollywood studios failed to reach a new contract. SAG-AFTRA is pushing to limit how actors’ likenesses are used by artificial intelligence and secure higher residual payments on streaming platforms. The union, which represents 160,000 members, joins 11,500 striking members of the Writers Guild of America to create Hollywood's largest work stoppage in more than 60 years. WGA members are also fighting for AI technology safeguards, as well as streaming residuals and mandatory staffing, among other protections. The SAG-AFTRA strike has shut down a majority of scripted film and television production using union members and also keeps members from doing any promotional work like attending red carpets or doing press. SAG-AFTRA’s national executive director Duncan Crabtree-Ireland told the Washington Post the union is using the strike to encourage creators to join because of their connections to tech giants like Apple and Amazon, which have also entered the production space with popular shows like Ted Lasso, The Morning Show and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
Tangent
Social media posts from fans and influencers were seemingly unavoidable leading up to the record-breaking release of Warner Bros. Discovery’s Barbie this weekend, but the most-attended event by content creators—the world premiere in Los Angeles that saw the attendance of big-time influencers like David Dobrik, Alix Earle and Francesca Farago—happened four days before the SAG-AFTRA strike officially began. Others, like Quinn, have posted promotions since but made it clear they were under contract before the strike began, which is in compliance with union rules. The premiere of Disney’s upcoming Haunted Mansion, which took place last Monday after the strike started, was skipped by stars like Tiffany Haddish, Danny DeVito and Jamie Lee Curtis in solidarity with the strike, the Los Angeles Times reported. Influencers who attended that premiere were already told they could walk the red carpet, per Deadline.
Big Number
$480 billion. That's how much Goldman Sachs expects the creator economy to be worth by 2027. Today, it's worth an estimated $250 billion.
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Fuck these people.Actors’ Strike Hits Influencers: Social Media Stars Cancel Promo Deals After SAG-AFTRA Bars Them From Working With Studios
Social media influencers are risking future actor’s guild membership if they promote films like Barbie, Haunted Mansion or Meg 2: The Trench.
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Key Facts
SAG-AFTRA has told social media influencers that even if they aren't a member of the guild, they'll be barred from ever joining if they cross the picket line by accepting work for struck studios or steaming services during the strike, and warned against posting in support of the studios’ movies even as a fan.
Commercial work, brand deals and posts that were under contract before the strike began are still allowed per the guild's influencer agreement, but they're expected to hold off on any paid or unpaid promotions of struck work until after the strike ends, or they’ll have crossed the picket line and will never be admitted to the union, SAG-AFTRA has said.
The warning has caused influencers in various spheres to halt any planned content they were not already under contract to promote, reject what could have been lucrative partnerships or speak out on the strike, including TikTok star Darcy Michael, Courtney Quinn of Instagram fame and Juju Green, who has 3.4 million TikTok followers under the account name Straw Hat Goofy.
Michael, who posts videos with his husband Jeremy Baer under the TikTok account @thedarcymichael, told the New York Times he was offered a $25,000 sponsored deal with an unspecified network leading up to the strike but decided not to take it after realizing the impending work stoppage was probably what drove up the price in the first place, saying he told his team "We're not crossing picket lines."
TikToker Straw Hat Goofy made a video that said he would still make content about struck studio's productions, attend premieres and take brand deals before posting an apology video calling the original skit "tone deaf" and saying he has no interest in joining either the actors’ or writers’ unions.
Quinn, who has 1.2 million Instagram, YouTube and TikTok followers under her brands @colormecourtney and @colormemagic, explained Sunday that she won’t post 15 already-shot posts and videos promoting the Barbie movie and changed the theme of her birthday party, also centered around the film, because she said she supports the union.
Erin Orsi said in a video that garnered 79,000 views that she was offered $5,000—a large sum for her comparatively small number of 19,000 TikTok followers—"to promote for a household name movie brand,” but turned it down because she didn't want to "scab" or be "blacklisted from any future union activities or productions."
Crucial Quote
“If you are a content creator or influencer with any aspirations to become an actor or a writer in the future, now is not the time to take a job because the rest of us are on strike,” Franchesca Ramsey, a member of SAG-AFTRA and the striking Writers Guild of America, said. “It will hurt your career.”
Vanity Fair Campaign Hollywood and TikTok Celebrate Vanities: A Night For Young Hollywood - Arrivals
The SAG-AFTRA union went on strike July 13 at midnight, after the union and major Hollywood studios failed to reach a new contract. SAG-AFTRA is pushing to limit how actors’ likenesses are used by artificial intelligence and secure higher residual payments on streaming platforms. The union, which represents 160,000 members, joins 11,500 striking members of the Writers Guild of America to create Hollywood's largest work stoppage in more than 60 years. WGA members are also fighting for AI technology safeguards, as well as streaming residuals and mandatory staffing, among other protections. The SAG-AFTRA strike has shut down a majority of scripted film and television production using union members and also keeps members from doing any promotional work like attending red carpets or doing press. SAG-AFTRA’s national executive director Duncan Crabtree-Ireland told the Washington Post the union is using the strike to encourage creators to join because of their connections to tech giants like Apple and Amazon, which have also entered the production space with popular shows like Ted Lasso, The Morning Show and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
Tangent
Social media posts from fans and influencers were seemingly unavoidable leading up to the record-breaking release of Warner Bros. Discovery’s Barbie this weekend, but the most-attended event by content creators—the world premiere in Los Angeles that saw the attendance of big-time influencers like David Dobrik, Alix Earle and Francesca Farago—happened four days before the SAG-AFTRA strike officially began. Others, like Quinn, have posted promotions since but made it clear they were under contract before the strike began, which is in compliance with union rules. The premiere of Disney’s upcoming Haunted Mansion, which took place last Monday after the strike started, was skipped by stars like Tiffany Haddish, Danny DeVito and Jamie Lee Curtis in solidarity with the strike, the Los Angeles Times reported. Influencers who attended that premiere were already told they could walk the red carpet, per Deadline.
Big Number
$480 billion. That's how much Goldman Sachs expects the creator economy to be worth by 2027. Today, it's worth an estimated $250 billion.
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OU Ariakas
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Actors’ Strike Hits Influencers: Social Media Stars Cancel Promo Deals After SAG-AFTRA Bars Them From Working With Studios
Social media influencers are risking future actor’s guild membership if they promote films like Barbie, Haunted Mansion or Meg 2: The Trench.
View attachment 483941
Key Facts
SAG-AFTRA has told social media influencers that even if they aren't a member of the guild, they'll be barred from ever joining if they cross the picket line by accepting work for struck studios or steaming services during the strike, and warned against posting in support of the studios’ movies even as a fan.
Commercial work, brand deals and posts that were under contract before the strike began are still allowed per the guild's influencer agreement, but they're expected to hold off on any paid or unpaid promotions of struck work until after the strike ends, or they’ll have crossed the picket line and will never be admitted to the union, SAG-AFTRA has said.
The warning has caused influencers in various spheres to halt any planned content they were not already under contract to promote, reject what could have been lucrative partnerships or speak out on the strike, including TikTok star Darcy Michael, Courtney Quinn of Instagram fame and Juju Green, who has 3.4 million TikTok followers under the account name Straw Hat Goofy.
Michael, who posts videos with his husband Jeremy Baer under the TikTok account @thedarcymichael, told the New York Times he was offered a $25,000 sponsored deal with an unspecified network leading up to the strike but decided not to take it after realizing the impending work stoppage was probably what drove up the price in the first place, saying he told his team "We're not crossing picket lines."
TikToker Straw Hat Goofy made a video that said he would still make content about struck studio's productions, attend premieres and take brand deals before posting an apology video calling the original skit "tone deaf" and saying he has no interest in joining either the actors’ or writers’ unions.
Quinn, who has 1.2 million Instagram, YouTube and TikTok followers under her brands @colormecourtney and @colormemagic, explained Sunday that she won’t post 15 already-shot posts and videos promoting the Barbie movie and changed the theme of her birthday party, also centered around the film, because she said she supports the union.
Erin Orsi said in a video that garnered 79,000 views that she was offered $5,000—a large sum for her comparatively small number of 19,000 TikTok followers—"to promote for a household name movie brand,” but turned it down because she didn't want to "scab" or be "blacklisted from any future union activities or productions."
Crucial Quote
“If you are a content creator or influencer with any aspirations to become an actor or a writer in the future, now is not the time to take a job because the rest of us are on strike,” Franchesca Ramsey, a member of SAG-AFTRA and the striking Writers Guild of America, said. “It will hurt your career.”
Vanity Fair Campaign Hollywood and TikTok Celebrate Vanities: A Night For Young Hollywood - Arrivals
The SAG-AFTRA union went on strike July 13 at midnight, after the union and major Hollywood studios failed to reach a new contract. SAG-AFTRA is pushing to limit how actors’ likenesses are used by artificial intelligence and secure higher residual payments on streaming platforms. The union, which represents 160,000 members, joins 11,500 striking members of the Writers Guild of America to create Hollywood's largest work stoppage in more than 60 years. WGA members are also fighting for AI technology safeguards, as well as streaming residuals and mandatory staffing, among other protections. The SAG-AFTRA strike has shut down a majority of scripted film and television production using union members and also keeps members from doing any promotional work like attending red carpets or doing press. SAG-AFTRA’s national executive director Duncan Crabtree-Ireland told the Washington Post the union is using the strike to encourage creators to join because of their connections to tech giants like Apple and Amazon, which have also entered the production space with popular shows like Ted Lasso, The Morning Show and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
Tangent
Social media posts from fans and influencers were seemingly unavoidable leading up to the record-breaking release of Warner Bros. Discovery’s Barbie this weekend, but the most-attended event by content creators—the world premiere in Los Angeles that saw the attendance of big-time influencers like David Dobrik, Alix Earle and Francesca Farago—happened four days before the SAG-AFTRA strike officially began. Others, like Quinn, have posted promotions since but made it clear they were under contract before the strike began, which is in compliance with union rules. The premiere of Disney’s upcoming Haunted Mansion, which took place last Monday after the strike started, was skipped by stars like Tiffany Haddish, Danny DeVito and Jamie Lee Curtis in solidarity with the strike, the Los Angeles Times reported. Influencers who attended that premiere were already told they could walk the red carpet, per Deadline.
Big Number
$480 billion. That's how much Goldman Sachs expects the creator economy to be worth by 2027. Today, it's worth an estimated $250 billion.
Fuck these people, indeed. Influencers, for as much as I hate the term and most of them as people, were the first wave of the new type of media and advertising that was not beholden to the same giant corporations. This was their first chance to break away and truly start to be something different than just part of the same group; but they are clout-chasers at heart so when the union that represents their clout chasing idols comes to them and asks them to eat shit they eat twice as much as they were asked. Fucking morons.
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Creators are there to make money. 99% will never be anything more than that. Sag Aftra ain't paying the bills. If somebody offers you 25k to promote something, as long as it's not something fraudulent like shitty steak knives or becoming a Lord in Scotland. Then just promote it.
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nbcuniversal is done for now
www.businessinsider.com
NBCUniversal is slapped with a $250 fine for trimming trees along an LA sidewalk that had shaded actors and writers on strike
NBCUniversal says it wasn't trying to eliminate the shade for striking actors and writers. Still, it got a $250 fine from the City of Los Angeles.
www.businessinsider.com
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