Writers Guild Strike 2023
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Tuco
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I'm kinda interested to hear more about this. Do you know of any journalists or experts covering this that have described that problem in more detail? Especially with reference to how these mini-rooms churn out garbage and cause massive breaks in continuity because the writers pop out a script, their contract ends, the script gets mangled and then the edited show doesn't make much sense. This was my biggest beef with the last season of Mandalarion which felt like a jumbled mess of "bad writing". It's easy to blame the writers for bad writing, but if the people actually doing the writing were abused during their work and removed before the script was truly finished, maybe it's not a writing problem but an exec problem?
Writers' room - Wikipedia
Mini Rooms Drive Major Controversy as Creative Community Feels Strain of TV’s Vast Expansion
The development process for scripted TV has been upended by the content boom. The latest controversy: the rise of 'mini rooms' for writers.
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Tuco
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Also, anyone who thinks ChatGPT is ready to churn out scripts for TV shows that you'd be willing to watch, give it a rip and post what scripts you can make with it.
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Tuco
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GRRM, in solidarity with WGA, is also pausing his writing on Winds of Winter, effective 2007.
‘House of the Dragon’ Season 2 to Continue Filming Amid Writers Strike, All Scripts Were Finished
Filming on Season 2 of 'House of the Dragon' will continue in the U.K. despite the U.S. writers' strike.
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Juvarisx
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Southpark did part of an episode with just ChatGPT and it was fucking baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. IT felt like a stupid teenager trying to do their best impression and it was just flat a mess. Don't get me wrong Southpark is not near where it used to be but ChatGPT just ripped Trey and Matt out of the show and it was plain soulless.
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moonarchia
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I disagree with you on how AI is going to impact screenwriting. You are not going to need a full team to write anything ever again. Look at this fully AI generated ad and tell me you couldn't just have one moderately non-shit writer go in and clean it up and you are off to the races. Have ChatGPT generate a couple runs through a script and have the writer weave and mold them into the best possible iteration.
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Qhue
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ChatGPT is great for 'stone soup' writing. It lets you avoid the numbing terror of a blank piece of paper and provides you with something you can work off of. I've used it myself for some D&D type stuff and while the end result contained essentially nothing from the AI output the stuff it generated was exceptionally handy in terms of getting the creative juices flowing.
Aldarion
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Theres a reason TV writers are the ones worried about this. AI can absolutley write scripts as good as network TV, right now. Over at dataannotation they're paying $20+ an hour to evaluate them, and I'd say about 1/10 of them are already pretty much TV quality.
I suspect the process spronk describes above really is how TV writers worked. Which is fucking hilarious to anyone whose every tried to accomplish anything in a group like that. Could chatGPT do better than that process? Fuck yes but so can manatees picking floating balls out of a net.
Real writing happens with one crusty old dude alone at his keyboard, often on something mind altering.
Committees produce only mediocrity and misery.
I suspect the process spronk describes above really is how TV writers worked. Which is fucking hilarious to anyone whose every tried to accomplish anything in a group like that. Could chatGPT do better than that process? Fuck yes but so can manatees picking floating balls out of a net.
Real writing happens with one crusty old dude alone at his keyboard, often on something mind altering.
Committees produce only mediocrity and misery.
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OU Ariakas
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That actually makes sense, along with some of the other industry norms people were discussing.
Here is my issue with the whole thing; why are these studios so fucking short sighted that they won't treat writers like any other profession? Hire the good ones for SALARIED work, go find up and comers to learn from them, and let them move up the ranks. It has worked for *literally* every industry so why wouldn't it be the same here?
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The ONLY thing they care about is money. They will screw anyone to get it. As I said before, they know they don't have to serve steak when people are just as happy eating shit.
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Drinsic
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Aldarion
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You guys realize chatGPT is one of the toy LLMs they released to the public, not the only LLM and certainly not the most advanced. Right? There are many (hundreds? Thousands?) of these things in training and development right now. Some of them quite specialized for script writing specifically.
It would be a great mistake to judge the general capabilities of LLMs from what one individual has seen in playing around the the public version of chatGPT.
It would be a great mistake to judge the general capabilities of LLMs from what one individual has seen in playing around the the public version of chatGPT.
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OU Ariakas
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AI is going to do you writers what MS Office did to almost all other employees. Namely, the smart ones will use it to enhance their productivity and efficiency while the laggards will either be replaced by it or just be so good that they don't need it.
Imagine good writers using ChatGPT to check lore/character/setting consistency, fill out a crazy idea with more nuanced detail, or even just make sure they haven't fallen into a narrative trap that they cannot resolve.
Like the Battle of Winterfell being run through questions like "How would an army experienced in cold weather castle defense react to a slow moving army with no ability to learn but that outnumbered the defenders 100 to 1? What if the attacking army had a dragon?"
Simple questions being answered might force them to reconsider ultimately terrible ideas.
Imagine good writers using ChatGPT to check lore/character/setting consistency, fill out a crazy idea with more nuanced detail, or even just make sure they haven't fallen into a narrative trap that they cannot resolve.
Like the Battle of Winterfell being run through questions like "How would an army experienced in cold weather castle defense react to a slow moving army with no ability to learn but that outnumbered the defenders 100 to 1? What if the attacking army had a dragon?"
Simple questions being answered might force them to reconsider ultimately terrible ideas.
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Hekotat
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Idk, I think it depends on how you ask the questions. I was goofing off with it yesterday and had it write a post ending about Jamie lannister and it did a decent job, atleast enough to get started and do some editing.