Writers Guild Strike 2023

BoozeCube said:

The fact that he is applying for jobs at movie theaters should clarify how little talent these hack fucks actually have. If he is such a gifted and skilled writer then why isn't he I don't know writing a fucking book or something. Nah American Inventors gonna serve popcorn... give me a fucking break.

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I mean unless you get an established deal you aren't getting paid while you write a book.

The first uses of AI are going to be to augment what people are doing. In this case, by allowing a single writer or I guess show runner to crank out more and higher quality scripts without the need for a team of assholes to play echo chamber with. As data sets get built for things like medical charts and xrays you can expect them to be used in helping doctors diagnose and treat you more effectively and efficiently.

It will be a long while before robotics are to the point of being readily available and usable, but once that happens that will be the turning point for menial labor.

the strike may actually benefit the studios, many signed mega insane deals between 2018-2020 when everyone was desperate for content and that has cooled significantly, strikes could trigger clauses that let them cancel production deals and pay much less (or no) money for shit they know won't make money

the WGA currently has ~20k members or about 2 CEOs worth of money

spronk said:

the strike may actually benefit the studios, many signed mega insane deals between 2018-2020 when everyone was desperate for content and that has cooled significantly, strikes could trigger clauses that let them cancel production deals and pay much less (or no) money for shit they know won't make money

the WGA currently has ~20k members or about 2 CEOs worth of money

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Writing == shitty at math too, apparently. Writers only make 25K? Fuuuuuck, why would anyone ever want to do that shit?

moonarchia said:

Writing == shitty at math too, apparently. Writers only make 25K? Fuuuuuck, why would anyone ever want to do that shit?

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And what? They live in the LA area too? They probably live in the ghetto and collect food stamps too. Probably make more working at McDonald's.

Chukzombi said:

Probably make more working at McDonald's.

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Not in Ft. Worth, TX, apparently. They just put in a zero-human-contact building.

BoozeCube said:

Jesus you are one completely retarded American Inventor. Talk about short sighted, it's almost as if you can't fathom they aren't competing against the AI of today, but scared of the AI of tomorrow.

Damn near every industry of somewhat monotonous bullshit is going to get upended. Hell AI is already replacing failed 2 viewer streamers like you wanted to be.

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Its not really the "monotonous bullshit" jobs. Its the "on the job" training jobs.
This is a major deal in creative fields. Art field is hit hard. and we even have some examples from the past to look back at.

Comic book inking. Comic books are often done in production line. Penciller>inker>colorist>letterer. lets each focus on a particular aspect to master, and speeds up the daily production.
Even manga often does this with backgrounds, or non-key panels. assistants do those. That's how they pump out so many pages a day often.

so, mid 90's digital coloring came around. there was a transition to digital coloring. certainly some hand color separators lost jobs then as well. others made the transition, or new colorists arrived.

But for inkers, it was something else. Digital inking wasn't really a new job. digital coloring is actually MORE artful then color separation. Digital inking is a process. and the quality sucks... but, its fast and cheap. And the casual eye can't tell. Especially if the penciller puts in 20% more effort to clean up their initial lineart. (without getting paid more to do it.)

So paying jobs vanished. The few paying jobs for inking went solely to the masters. 20 years later. those masters retire. and there is no new generation that learned how to ink.

artists in training, take indie jobs. commissions, fanart, vanity projects, porn, etc all to train while getting paid. A.I. art and writing is stab directly at the heart of this. An A.I. may not be as good as a master, but 90% of what it can do is better then an artist in training. and its cheaper, and faster. Can look at A.I. in porn currently. everything is enhanced. or, if you are into crpgs, or dnd. look at everyone using A.I. to do character portraits. The entire cottage industry devastated overnight.

so yeah, this is very dangerous. Many people are very shortsighted, and think, "oh its just going to replace the bad artists". they don't get it, todays bad artists, are tomorrows masters. if you cut out their income, that won't happen.

Oh no, what will we ever do without comic book artists?

People using GoT as an example of this stuff are out to lunch.

George RR Martin is a dogshit human being, but his books were the highest quality fantasy writing we had seen in some time. Any monkey could have taken his books and made a successful TV show out of it. Hell, any fan from this board could have done that. The writers on that show were bad and it showed as soon as they ran out of Martin's material to crib.

In the case of GoT there was exactly one writer that mattered, and he was one of a handful of generational talents that is a multi-millionaire due to his incredible skills. A union would only have hampered his earnings and production, not helped it.

This is coming for anyone whos job is to "produce content".

And thats not a bad thing. Humans should be more than machines. If your job can be done by a machine, it should be, and there are no exceptions.

Whats funny to me is watching the variety of red lines people have drawn. "Oh its ok if it comes for those peoples jobs but wait shit its coming for mine now, thats not ok!"

There are no red lines. If a machine can do your job, its going to.

Gravel said:

Oh no, what will we ever do without comic book artists?

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ha, but you understand this applies to every creative field right?

writers, comic artists, illustrators, 2d artist, 3d artist, 3d riggers, concept artists, photography retouching, etc. hell make up artist and the like. why have a make up artist, when you can have an A.I. do it live in real time on camera? I would expect architecture, and engineering to even get hit. And the issue as I said is, when you eliminate these entry level jobs, there is no path to expertise. The top 10% of 10,000 people are going to be GREAT. the top 10% of 10 people is a much smaller chance of greatness.

Caliane said:

ha, but you understand this applies to every creative field right?

writers, comic artists, illustrators, 2d artist, 3d artist, 3d riggers, concept artists, photography retouching, etc. hell make up artist and the like. why have a make up artist, when you can have an A.I. do it live in real time on camera? I would expect architecture, and engineering to even get hit. And the issue as I said is, when you eliminate these entry level jobs, there is no path to expertise. The top 10% of 10,000 people are going to be GREAT. the top 10% of 10 people is a much smaller chance of greatness.

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And why do we need any of those people?

Moan about the "arts" and how important they are, but what the fuck is anyone producing now that matters? It's all garbage shit for garbage people.

“Why should creativity matter????”

-The Mantra of the least creative fucks on the planet

At some point though if taken to the extreme and say we replace all artists (including writing) with AI, does AI just train itself off art AI itself creates? SO a computer dictates what is great art, or a great show / movie. How can you train an AI to make Star Wars if there isn't a Star Wars to train itself on. These AI's only work even kinda now because someone used creativity to create the things its learning to create.

If there is no career path or profession for any of it, then people will not focus on creativity at all. There is no more Denis Villeneuve wrote and directed his first four films including the one he got notice for which lead to his standing as the best Sci Fi director living. Why would Tarantino bother writing scripts to things like True Romance if he couldn't get paid and make a lil money to make Reservoir Dogs.

Like hate on the industry all you like, but flat saying of why do we need these people at all is really short sighted. Why would anyone get into the industry to proof a script an AI came up with for $20 an hour or whatever was suggested earlier. At most it should be used to help the process, using it completely it sucks the soul out of work, I come back to that South Park again. The AI trained itself on the entire library of South Park, came up with an ending to an episode and it was fucking lifeless. It's not just that it wasn't funny, cause not all of South Park has been, it just removed Trey and Matt's voices from the show, there was nothing redeeming, no point, nothing even attempting anything original. It wasn't even their humor anymore, which I think is the worst thing about it.

I do find it funny that one of the people saying why do they need these people at all is using a avatar from a show that was pretty fucking original that I struggle to comprehend how an AI would come up with.

Juvarisx said:

At some point though if taken to the extreme and say we replace all artists (including writing) with AI, does AI just train itself off art AI itself creates? SO a computer dictates what is great art, or a great show / movie. How can you train an AI to make Star Wars if there isn't a Star Wars to train itself on. These AI's only work even kinda now because someone used creativity to create the things its learning to create.

If there is no career path or profession for any of it, then people will not focus on creativity at all. There is no more Denis Villeneuve wrote and directed his first four films including the one he got notice for which lead to his standing as the best Sci Fi director living. Why would Tarantino bother writing scripts to things like True Romance if he couldn't get paid and make a lil money to make Reservoir Dogs.

Like hate on the industry all you like, but flat saying of why do we need these people at all is really short sighted. Why would anyone get into the industry to proof a script an AI came up with for $20 an hour or whatever was suggested earlier. At most it should be used to help the process, using it completely it sucks the soul out of work, I come back to that South Park again. The AI trained itself on the entire library of South Park, came up with an ending to an episode and it was fucking lifeless. It's not just that it wasn't funny, cause not all of South Park has been, it just removed Trey and Matt's voices from the show, there was nothing redeeming, no point, nothing even attempting anything original. It wasn't even their humor anymore, which I think is the worst thing about it.

I do find it funny that one of the people saying why do they need these people at all is using a avatar from a show that was pretty fucking original that I struggle to comprehend how an AI would come up with.

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The AI has enough material to beat Hollywood at its own game, which is recycling old movies ad nauseum. It can generate new works and will learn which ones hit and which ones miss via audience response and keep getting better at a pace humans can't even come close to.