12 Years A Slave
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Astrocreep, what do you know about Jefferson that isn't widely known by anyone on this board, or anyone at all who took a post high school American History class, or has had access to the internet at all?
Further to what end does someone else's personal affairs have an effect on what you as a person should believe, at this point in in time? I'm a fan of Aristotle, he believed the body was composed of four humors and the human mind four souls. Should I just take his word on that shit? What about Descartes he was brilliant too, and thought animals were machines that didn't feel pain, would you mind if kicked your dog around, try and confirm it?
Further to what end does someone else's personal affairs have an effect on what you as a person should believe, at this point in in time? I'm a fan of Aristotle, he believed the body was composed of four humors and the human mind four souls. Should I just take his word on that shit? What about Descartes he was brilliant too, and thought animals were machines that didn't feel pain, would you mind if kicked your dog around, try and confirm it?
Chukzombi
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i was being mildly facetious, sometimes it doesnt come across well in text. TJ was a badass, he was also a badass that really loved him some slavery and loving some black slaves (as is apparent in the above picture) so yeah when a slavery movie comes out, thomas jefferson is never mentioned because nobody considers him a mustache twirler baddie. not all slave owners were evil, many were because they did not consider their slaves as human, they thought of them more as farm animals there to work. but some did treat slaves well, many freed them and were allowed to go off on their own. the funny thing is, it wasnt just black people who were treated this way, asians and many other unskilled immigrants were treated like total garbage and worked to death for pennies. so many major structures still standing today were built in this manner, and this is after slavery and not only blacks. im sorry, i wont give any special sympathies for blacks when slavery is brought up. wanna make a movie with heavy handed villains, make it about cocksuckers like carnegie and rockeffeller. they fucking deserve it for treating everyone like shit.
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I think it was stupid and kind of half-assed and not really facetious, like you borrowed an argument from another thread but you didn't really know what you were doing with it so you went and made a mess. Apparently slavery was a grey issue and not invariably that bad because other people had it hard too and Thomas Jefferson was cool.
I'll give you that early America was based around Robber Barons fucking over fobs, that's an argument supporting another film, not an argument against this film's existence.
I'll give you that early America was based around Robber Barons fucking over fobs, that's an argument supporting another film, not an argument against this film's existence.
Chukzombi
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im against these kinds of films, ditto for holocaust films and christ films that blame the jews. its a personal preference. i think everyone knows that slavery happened, that the holocaust happened to jews (as well as millions of other non jews) and that a possibly fictitious superbeing was nailed to some boards due to jewish intervention. been there, done that. how many more films need to be made on the subject?
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i actually did a piece on this heh. specifically on thomas jefferson. i think he knew that what he was doing was wrong, but consider the fact that he is also a rich man, who dreamed of "american" lifestyle. i forget the word, but it was a dream of owning lots of land and keeping that land maintained. true state of free man is a man who owns land and be self-sufficient. so he grew tons of stuff on his farms. a lot of this had to be maintained, which meant that he had to have slaves. it was just an ideal conditions. and like many of his Virginian upperclass, he wasn't going to be left out.i assume people, in fact a lot of people on this board hold thomas jefferson in high regard. yall should really look up how he felt about slavery. its not all black and white guys. (pun not intended)
Slavery was a culture for them. it was just part of who they were. slaves were part of their lives.
i think a good comparison is jefferson versus washington. george washington, at the end of his life, freed all his slaves according to his will. he had no debt and was completely clean. how about jefferson? who was deep in debt. he not only did not free his slave, he sold them after he passed on.
that is the legacy of jefferson in slavery.
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wait, I thought we did that.
Difference between holocaust and slavery? Holocaust actually ended.
You mean just like imprisoned people now?
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So what? People know that italian gangsters were a thing, and science fiction exists. Do we just stop production on all art products as soon as people become vaguely aware of its existence?
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italian gangsters have been done to death. but at least the italian mafia is still a somewhat relevant thing that happened in our lifetime. even though they have been diminished and gone underground. slavery , holocaust and christ's death, not so much.
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Name 3 movies that actually address the reality of slavery. Amistad (which wasn't even really about slavery), maybe Roots, and... what? This one?
Slavery is certainly relevant. It wasn't even that long ago that the last person who lived in slavery died. And it isn't as if Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and then everyone lived happily ever after. This is a huge, integral part of our nation's history and the aftereffects of it continue to this day.