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Gilgamel
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We suck, and worse than that we're boring. Sold out every home game since we moved with a waiting list and now people are apathetic. Need someone for fans to get behind to make it exciting, right now there isn't a single player on the roster people give a damn about. Even the coach is a guy everyone likes personally but no one is really confident in.
I wish we'd fix the lines of scrimmage but we'll probably just let CJ go to save Bud some money and then draft Gio Bernard in round one or something equally stupid.
Sterling
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Gilgamel
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I never bought into Locker. Historically accuracy is like rebounding in basketball, it translates directly from college. Locker isn't accurate unless he's rolling to his right or he's on one of his little mini-streaks. I'd be shocked if he's ever even serviceable. There's a reason we can't sustain drives worth a shit.
The ironic thing is our idiot fans turned on Vince and then decided they wanted Locker when Locker is a worse version of Vince without the weeping vagina. Locker is more mobile and less accurate. Than Vince Young. For real. Just a stupid, stupid draft pick.
The ironic thing is our idiot fans turned on Vince and then decided they wanted Locker when Locker is a worse version of Vince without the weeping vagina. Locker is more mobile and less accurate. Than Vince Young. For real. Just a stupid, stupid draft pick.
opiate82
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Kaepernick: College 58.2% NFL 65.4%.
Alex Smith had a career completion percentage of 55.6% before Harbaugh. In '11 it was 61.3% and was at 70% in '12 before getting benched. I think accuracy can be coached.
Sterling
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To the extent of schemes and such it's true to some degree. Throwing lots of short passes is going to give you a higher percentage than if you're going bombs away obviously. But if they can't hit the broad side of a barn then there's a limit to it.
opiate82
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Considering that Kaep is among the league leaders in yard-per-attempt, I don't think you can attribute his jump to just "short passes." But yes, scheme is important. There is something to be said about putting your guy in the best situation to succeed.
I think this is more important than any of you are noting. Great coaches coach their QB's and build offensive schemes and plays that work to their players' strengths. Joe Montana never had a cannon arm but he had Bill Walsh and the west coast offense. Matt Cassel had Belichik and the Pats before he went to KC... I don't think Brees had thrown more than 3 picks in a single game with the Saints until Sean Peyton was gone...
That said, I don't think Locker or Sanchez will ever be good QB's no matter who they had coaching them. They'd both be better with Jim Harbaugh or Belichik or Mike McCarthy but they'd never be good. Locker was a stupid pick but I didn't think it was a worse pick than Kaepernick at the time. I know teams are always stressed to find a good QB but 9 out of 10 teams that reach for a QB in the first round are just stupid. I think all those teams would be better off going the Harbaugh route and game managing their QB while they build the rest of the team around them, before they eventually replace that QB with a home grown or stud QB from the draft.
Merrith
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Don't tell this to RG3 haters...who continue to cling to the idea that he throws more short passes. He leads the league in yards per attempt right now among qualified QB's.
Gilgamel
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Look I've seen every throw Locker has made in the NFL. The guy is incredibly inaccurate. He'll make difficult throws and then miss two or three easy ones, and he has these funks where he can't hit the broadside of a barn for two or three series in a row. I want him to succeed but I am not optimistic. When a guy comes into the league and people say he is a can't miss prospect except for one thing and then he continues to suck at that one thing, it's really not very hopeful. His intangibles, his work ethic, his athleticism are all off the charts. He just can't throw worth a damn, and who knows if he ever will.
opiate82
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I think since I watched him throughout all of his college career and even saw him play in high-school (and got to play softball against him once) I have a little different perspective on him, albeit a potentially biased one. But I just keep in mind that basically he got zero pro-style QB coaching/experience at all until Sark took over at UW. Through-out the rest of his football career he was basically a running back they snapped the ball to. I saw a remarkable improvement in his accuracy under Sark. He still wasn't good, but with just one year of coaching he completion percentage jumped almost 8 points.
I think Locker is coachable, and if you believe that accuracy is something that can be coached, I think with all of his other intangibles and tools, it is not time to give up on him yet.
SimSimSalabim
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There is a difference between yards per attempt and the average yards the ball is traveling through the air per attempt.
These stats are out of date, I quoted them from an article written after week 7 and I am most certainly not saying to use these stats to judge these 2 players or any others as Quarterbacks and passers, but Griffin most certainly throws shorter passes than the league average and a lot of his yardage does come after the catch.
RG3 is "system QB" in the sense that the system is what makes him most successful but at the same time it is also RG3 that makes the system. There probably isn't another athlete in the world that could run the offense the way he has been running it because of his talent set.
I was thinking the same thing. I think there's more to this story, and despite what he is saying Rex just does not want Tebow on that team. Either that, or if Tebow steps in and lights up the scoreboard over the last two games it'll really make Ryan's decision to stick with Sanchez that much worse.
I read somewhere that Tebow skipped Jax because it's coaching staff told him they really didn't want him there. The question becomes will Josh Mcdaniels be a head coach again, and if so will his team trade for Tebow?
I'm pretty sure Tebow will end up somewhere in the NFL next year, and still be part of his own personal circus. The bigger question is will Mark Sanchez still be around? Also, will Woody clean house in NY due to their inept front office management?
RG3 is 28'th in the league in deep pass %, which they consider >15 yardshttp://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=QB.
opiate82
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You are correct. But I will say that just using a good old fashion eyeball test you get the sense that Kaep is throwing a much more accurate ball than he did in college or even in the pre-season. Could just be a small sample size though.
I've been very impressed with how well Kaeperbro has played. I was scared shitless for the Chicago game because he just tried so many risky passes in the season and a half prior and his ball security was rough. Being able to not only maintain his poise and confidence in two of the toughest stadiums at Gillette/New Orleans, but play well is amazing. He's making mistakes that are correctable, and I love that he doesn't try to bust runs unless he needs to. Unless it's a designed qb run or option play, running is his final option most of the time.
I think all the rookie QB's are doing well this year. Really makes me wonder if this class of rookie QB's will end up being similar to the Marino/Kelly etc class. I think the only one of the rookie QB's I don't like is Russell Wilson. I think he's overrated, that his defense is helping him win games FAR more than anything he's doing. Put him on a team with SHIT D and he'd be throwing int's left and right trying to come back too.
Yeah he's getting help from the defense, but Wilson is putting up some mind bottling numbers for a rookie. 22 td's/9 int's, a good completion %, and QBR is nuts for a guy in his first season.