2012 NFL Season
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I'm not espousing Jim Rome as an analyst, far from it. I find his humor and the specific details he keys in on to be both funny an interesting. He sounds like a super-bro, and uses audio clips with the deft hands of Fat Homer with parkinsons.
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It absolutely needs to be considered. Can QBs who are short succeed, sure they can (see Brees and so far Wilson), but I guarantee you if they were Brady height they would have less knocked down passes. Consider how bad some of your more mediocre QBs would be if they were shorter. While it certainly isn't the end all stat, it is certainly something to take a look at when evaluating a player.
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Brees does not play at his height, the man does not stand flat footed when he plays, he quite literally is standing on his tippy toes in the pocket.
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opiate82
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How many passes have Wilson and Brees had knocked down, and how does that compare with the rest of the league?
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I would have bet a large sum of money at the start of this season against this last week having any impact on the Viking's season. I thought they were a 6 win team max this year. Props to AP and especially Alan Williams for turning the defensive back around. I just hope a win and the playoffs doesn't give them some false hope for Ponder. Dude sucks balls and I hope they look for a replacement immediately.
After watching every game that Brees has played in since he joined the Saints, he doesn't have as many as he should.
It's actually odd, but teams without a good pass rush, that can just stand the O-line up. Do a better job against Brees than a team full of Bull Rushers. I've seen him throw quite a few passes that hit the Oline as well. It's probably the only negative about his game. Its also why having a good backfield catcher and a tall tight end(graham and shockey before him) do wonders for the Saints offense
I haven't watched much of Wilson, but he seems to have it figured out. Throw it deep enough so it has to go over the line, or scramble and not throw over them.
It's actually odd, but teams without a good pass rush, that can just stand the O-line up. Do a better job against Brees than a team full of Bull Rushers. I've seen him throw quite a few passes that hit the Oline as well. It's probably the only negative about his game. Its also why having a good backfield catcher and a tall tight end(graham and shockey before him) do wonders for the Saints offense
I haven't watched much of Wilson, but he seems to have it figured out. Throw it deep enough so it has to go over the line, or scramble and not throw over them.
I can't actually find the numbers. The closest I could find was end of October which had Brees at 8 and Wilson at 4 with the rest of the league around 3 or 4 (good qbs anyway). I'd be a bit careful with Brees number due to their struggle all season but if you look at completion percentage he has always been amazing with that and is in the mix right now with the top QBs.
To touch on what someone else said, yes, he is always on his tip toes and I swear it looks like he is stretching his neck all the time trying to look over the line.
At the end of the day an elite QB will overcome and the offense will work to get him throwing lanes and vision down field. I personally have no fucking clue how he does it, I assume he just has all the routes memorized and checks coverage before the play and already has an idea where he is going before the snap (which I assume any elite QB is going to do). Clearly he can see enough that it matters...so I don't know lol.
To touch on what someone else said, yes, he is always on his tip toes and I swear it looks like he is stretching his neck all the time trying to look over the line.
At the end of the day an elite QB will overcome and the offense will work to get him throwing lanes and vision down field. I personally have no fucking clue how he does it, I assume he just has all the routes memorized and checks coverage before the play and already has an idea where he is going before the snap (which I assume any elite QB is going to do). Clearly he can see enough that it matters...so I don't know lol.
I see some of the play books players operate out of and it looks like there's a 6 or 7" binder full of plays. How many plays do these guys actually have memorized 24/7 where they know exactly where to throw the ball based on the route and whatever adjustments are made on the fly depending on coverage etc etc etc. I get that its their job and they practice this stuff year in and year out but it seems like a monumental task for receivers to be so precise, much less for a QB to orchestrate everything presnap then dodge defenders and still manage to make a throw.
Kinda easy to see why so few people even with the talent to throw the ball well can put the whole position together. I still wish college did more to cultivate pro style QB's. Maybe at some point the NFL will encourage more pro style type offenses so the league has a more level playing fiend of QB's. I'm sure as hell not looking forward to the day Brees retires. There aren't many Montana to Young or Favre to Rodgers stories in this league...
Kinda easy to see why so few people even with the talent to throw the ball well can put the whole position together. I still wish college did more to cultivate pro style QB's. Maybe at some point the NFL will encourage more pro style type offenses so the league has a more level playing fiend of QB's. I'm sure as hell not looking forward to the day Brees retires. There aren't many Montana to Young or Favre to Rodgers stories in this league...
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This is why you'll find most of your great QB's also tested very well on the wonderlic test.
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Bad news for the 49ers. Manningham lost for the rest of the year.
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I honestly equate it to people's jobs. Sure it is probably way less stuff to memorize but just think if I tried to explain how to do my job and you only had basic knowledge of it. I still have people I work with that were hired 3 months ago and still can't do some of the complicated tasks.
The elite QBs have done this their whole life and this is something they love to do, I guarantee you if you go find out how much time and effort they put in to their work it wouldn't be so far fetched that they do what they do. That isn't to discount what they do because the amount of information they process on a daily basis much less in game during snaps and stuff is just ridiculous. I know for Brees (and which again I assume most elite QBs have this option) he is calling 3 plays in every huddle...knowing when to audible to one of those plays ( and knowing the setup that is causing it to be in your favor) based on a miss match or a certain setup it just crazy.
The elite QBs have done this their whole life and this is something they love to do, I guarantee you if you go find out how much time and effort they put in to their work it wouldn't be so far fetched that they do what they do. That isn't to discount what they do because the amount of information they process on a daily basis much less in game during snaps and stuff is just ridiculous. I know for Brees (and which again I assume most elite QBs have this option) he is calling 3 plays in every huddle...knowing when to audible to one of those plays ( and knowing the setup that is causing it to be in your favor) based on a miss match or a certain setup it just crazy.
Gravel
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From what I've read, most playbooks are that big because each play is only altering minor things. So you could have the same slant play in the playbook like 30 times and as an individual wide receiver they're all the same for you. Or say you're on the line, and you're supposed to block a certain way. Well, you may be blocking the same way regardless of what kind of pass is being thrown. All you need to know is that when play "Orange" is called, you block the DE. When play "Green" is called, you chip the end and move to the second level.
Essentially, think of it as having options for all 11 players on the field. You can make x many combinations with those 11 players. That's why the playbook is so large.
After that, you have to remember that a team will go into a game only implementing a portion of the playbook.
And like sebur said, if you were getting paid a minimum of $400,000 a year (and obviously much more if you're a starter) and that was your entire job, you don't think you'd be able to memorize the playbook?
Essentially, think of it as having options for all 11 players on the field. You can make x many combinations with those 11 players. That's why the playbook is so large.
After that, you have to remember that a team will go into a game only implementing a portion of the playbook.
And like sebur said, if you were getting paid a minimum of $400,000 a year (and obviously much more if you're a starter) and that was your entire job, you don't think you'd be able to memorize the playbook?
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Of course not. But they throw the fucking flag every time for that shit. And yeah, the NFL is becoming stupid. The "safety" rules are just there to give the impression that it's about safety. That way, Goodell and the league can hopefully make more money.