2013 NFL Offseason and Draft

Grimmlokk_sl said:

I can't, I'm still catching my breath from Elurin calling the Canes an NFL defense that could have won the Super Bowl...

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I said the team, not defense. Take the best guys on the team (not just the starters), and build a team out of it. It was ridiculous. They weren't all around great (QB, and WR was a bit light) but they had enough NFL quality players. Shit, there are quite a few Super Bowls in this group, and several possible Hall of Famers.

QB: Ken Dorsey (Niners/Browns)
RB: Frank Gore (Niners), Clinton Portis (Redskins), Willis McGahee (Bills/Broncos)
FB: Najeh Davenport (Steelers/Colts)
WR: Andre Johnson (Texans), Roscoe Parish (Bills)
TE: Jeremy Shockey (NYG/Saints), Kellen Winslow (Browns/Bucs)
OL: Bryant McKinnie (Vikings/Ravens), Vernon Carey (Dolphins), Rashad Butler (Texans), Brett Romberg (Jags/Rams/Falcons), Chris Myers (Texans)

DB: Ed Reed (Ravens), Sean Taylor (Redskins), Antrel Rolle (Cardinals/NYG), Phillip Buchanon (5 Teams), Kelly Jennings (Seahawks/Bengals); wasn't sure how to do this, as their CB depth sucked, but their safeties were amazing
LB: Jonathan Vilma (Jets/Saints), DJ Williams (Broncos/Bears), Rocky McIntosh (Redskins/Rams), Leon Williams (Browns/Chiefs)
DE: Jerome McDougle (Eagles/NYG), Orien Harris (8 Teams)
DT: Vince Wilfork (Patriots), William Joseph (NYG/Raiders)

That's an entire team of guys who were NFL starters for a pretty good amount of time. A lot of them are STILL NFL starters. Gore, Johnson, Reed, and Wilfork are also potential Hall of Famers. Considering most Super Bowl teams have tons of guys most of us have never heard of, to have a team where you even know most of the line players says a lot about the talent there. So yeah, I think it's entirely possible they could have won a Super Bowl with that roster. Get the right coach and find a little bit of depth, and it'd be one of the most talented teams to ever play.

jooka_sl said:

I would have thought you would see they were pulled at the half, then put back in.



EDIT Geno Smith is genjiros god given ass fucking big daddy. Sorry to argue with you about how good he isnt.

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What would give me that impression? Was it the lack of them mentioning it anywhere in that game recap?

That's what is called halftime Jooka.

Jooka mad his college teams coach bolted to the pros and his school is now on 2 yrs probation.

QUACK QUACK

No Jooka I am not butt buddies with Genjiro, I actually disagree with him about Geno Smith but on the other hand you are acting like a fucking idiot and spouting some of the stupidest shit I've heard since I read the official Dallas Cowboys forum.

jooka_sl said:

I suspect not that many, but then they wouldn't have fans dumb enough to brag about a loss and some dumb fucking yards per game bullshit.


just for shits and giggles, drew brees lead the league, 670 attempts for the year.

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Brees led the league in yards, but Stafford led the league in attempts with 727.

jooka_sl said:

Just admit he isn't anywhere near as good as you think he is.

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I'll make you a serious post because you don't know what I think. For starters, I don't think he is John Elway 2.0. I do think all the reports are bullshit that just coincidentally came out the day after he fired his agents. Nobody here thinks that all the connected guys like Mayock Schefter etc who said he did great in his interviews would have come across all these reports "post draft" now saying he didn't? Come on now you cannot be that dumb. 2 and 2 here, its not hard to put it together.

I think he can be good in the right system, but he has flaws in his game.

Pros:
*Starter and a leader for 3 years
*Low interception rate, just 13 in his past 2 years compared to 73 tds
*Good deep ball thrower, not as good as someone like Rg3 but good
*Excellent intermediate accuracy
*Strong arm: NFL benchmark for QB arm strength is the opposite hash deep out, which as Mayock etc have said, he can make this throw easily.
*Leads his receivers very well (ie accuracy) in the short passing game which leads to a ton of YAC. Hitting a guy like Austin in stride vs making him stop and start again is night and day and he did this very well.
*Hardest worker on the team, film rat, great work ethic. Our coach said this: "Geno's the hardest practicing QB & most gifted student of the game I've coached" and is not a coach who minces his words.
*No off the field problems in 4 years. No girlfriends beat up, DUIs, arrests in clubs...not even a traffic ticket that I know of. He went to class and never got in trouble. I will take his history of this over these reports of him suddenly turning into this horrible person.

Cons
*Needs to grow up, got caught up too much in trash talk and shit in college. He's a gamer and his competitiveness is great, but sometimes getting too caught up in the game isn't good and it affects his play negatively.
*Fumbles a good bit because he is Big Benish in holding the ball forever and ends up getting a sack fumble from blind side etc. Happened several times this year at bad times in the game.
*Is scared to run sometimes even though he has good wheels, tries too much for the big play downfield instead of getting the first down.
*Was inconsistent at times this year
*Struggles in poor weather (ie bowl game and Texas Tech game with 30+mph winds)


That would be what I would say about him from you know, watching every game and snap he has played for 4 years. I think that's pretty fair and accurate. The bad stuff are things which are mostly all coachable. No, I don't think he is Peyton Manning, not even close. He is going to be in a west coast offense with Marty Mornhinweg which is great for his skillset, but unfortunately he is playing for an organization which gives no shits about the offensive side of the ball. Santonio Holmes had that Lisfranc surgery which players pretty much never return to full strength from, which leaves his only receiver then as Stephen Hill which is raw as hell. He has nobody even close to what he had in college to throw the ball to on the Jets. Iirc the Jets don't have Dustin Keller now either, and then they spent all their first round picks on defensive guys. He is pretty much doomed in this situation. I'd give Sanchez a pass on this year too, as I don't see how any QB could be successful for the Jets.

Hahaha....

Ok, sorry to repost from KSK twice in a row, but I thought Araysar might want a new avatar. Never change, Jay....never change...

jooka_sl said:

at 40:00 in this you tube video do you blame Geno or the call playing?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFgAixnU0g

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TBH I dont really blame either. Sometimes, great players make great plays. Mattheiu was the best player in college on D that year (didnt he finish high in the Heisman voting?) and he made a ridiculous tip and pick. I think if he can stay clean Arizona got a steal talent wise.

"Teddy Bridgewater 2014!!! Oh wait, I guess i'll need to put up with this terrible Draft-class until next year..." - Idiot fans on Card Chronicles on the topic of Smith

Famm_sl said:

Ok, sorry to repost from KSK twice in a row, but I thought Araysar might want a new avatar. Never change, Jay....never change...

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Oh shit, he is drinking Lone Star! Haha, Cutler > Romo now

jooka_sl said:

EDIT Genjiro I think that is a fair right up.

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WTF is a right up? Your posts have me left down.

I'm feeling a bit flapped over.