A Song of Ice and Fire (Released Spoilers)

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At this point I've just started watching war of the roses documentaries. That period of history is surprisingly entertaining and has an actual ending.

GRRM tried to inlay fantasy into this period for what ever reasons, perhaps to stand out. I don't think it has to be high fantasy, it's not really. They live in a world that barely has a hold on magic, most don't even believe it. As far as the common man is concerned, it doesn't impact anything until dragons appear and the white walkers actually come. I like this practical yet shocking aspect to the magic. I don't know who started co -opting high fantasy as a label for GoT, but it couldn't be farther from the truth.

Another interesting aspect, the motive of the gods are never really clear. They seem to act more on their own misguided virtues rather than outcomes, like living beings that lack foresight but perhaps just don't value human life. Even the gods are cruel in this universe. That's not unlike a lot of mythology and it lines up with the tone of the books.

The show did not do a good job elucidating on these aspects. It got far worse as it went on. The show IS the result of trying to tie a high fantasy ending into this universe. It DOESN'T WORK but that's not obvious because the show was never really in harmony with the tone of the books. The point of the books is that there is no justice, only chance and power...a lesson learned in the war of the roses.

I appreciate his ability and process of writing where he follows the natural creative flow, but he needs to keep mining it until there's a conclusion. Without that diligence, he's useless. He's inept in the sense that he hasn't realized his process requires completing a whole story first then pruning the loose ends afterwards. He can't do that when he's releasing the books before conclusion. This process is stuck, and will NOT resolve.

Blaming his laziness on fascism is an excuse and appeal to the masses like a corporation taking ESG money because they can't stay afloat otherwise. He doesn't really believe that, and we don't need to inject Tolkien into everything.
 

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At this point I've just started watching war of the roses documentaries. That period of history is surprisingly entertaining and has an actual ending.
I think it's interesting how much is real and how much is Tudor propaganda to validate their claim to the throne written by Shakespeare and others.

Everyone assumed Richard III being a hunchback was all Shakespeare until they found the body and he actually was fucked up.
 
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And the fact of the matter, I could give to shits. Despite maybe burning whatever manuscripts, notes, or outlines he has, he also burned all the patience, good will and appreciation from fans much earlier.

I hope the NY Giants all die in a fiery plane crash, and it just so happens to crash on his mansion wherever the hell he's living in Arizona or whatever. Hopefully while he's eating chicken wings.
I could give two shits about waiting for his next remaining books. GoT gave me the general idea how he wants to end the series - took the blue balling and eagerness out for me while waiting patiently for this fucker to finish.
 
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I could give two shits about waiting for his next remaining books. GoT gave me the general idea how he wants to end the series - took the blue balling and eagerness out for me while waiting patiently for this fucker to finish.
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I think it's interesting how much is real and how much is Tudor propaganda to validate their claim to the throne written by Shakespeare and others.

Everyone assumed Richard III being a hunchback was all Shakespeare until they found the body and he actually was fucked up.
Yeah I just watched a show that touched on that last night. Richard III was technically correct but the PIECE OF SHIT woodvilles gonna Woodville. They had no reason not to trust him and they backed him into a corner. That being said, they're all bat shit.
 

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Is it something he intends to mimic with not finishing his book series? I wonder if he thinks he'll be like a JRR Tolkien or Frank Herbert, where his books will maintain some sort of more mythical quality by being unfinished, or that he can't sully the best ending any reader can imagine, simply by passing away.
 

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First three books are some of the best fantasy literature, you're doing yourself a disservice by not reading them.

GoT showrunners and GRRM himself have permanently tarnished his legacy however. There's no way he achieves anything close to Tolkien or Herbert.
 
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First three books are some of the best fantasy literature, you're doing yourself a disservice by not reading them.

GoT showrunners and GRRM himself have permanently tarnished his legacy however. There's no way he achieves anything close to Tolkien or Herbert.
The first three really are. I was going on a fishing trip with my grandfather and a couple of my uncles of the international falls one summer back in college. Needed something to read and one of the guys I worked with had suggested that I had to check that series out. Stop by a half price books and picked up the first novel. I think it's worth 800 pages or something, and figured I can read it on the plane, and it should last me the week between us fishing.

Ended up raining a bunch while we were up there, but I chewed through the book fast, and had gone into town to see if I could find the second one, no dice, the same with the airport when flying home.

When I got home I went back to half Price books and bought the other two. I think I finished them in a week. At the time it was my favorite fantasy series.

When he was on his game, he was putting out wonderful stuff. As much as we all rag on that fat bastard, he's talented but I don't know, I guess somewhere along the way he just got lazy, or cares too much about whatever shitty football team he likes. Jets maybe, I don't remember. Then he was doing all of his wild cards crap.

Honestly thinking maybe he painted himself into a corner or something, and there were just too many plot threads that he didn't know how to resolve.

If he had actually finished the series I would have read all of them, probably enjoyed it, but alas, that's never going to happen.
 
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Tolkien and Herbert both finished a complete story they wanted to tell: Martin has not done that yet. Even his newer Dunk and Egg series isnt finished because the fat fuck cannot finish anything.
 
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Tolkien and Herbert both finished a complete story they wanted to tell: Martin has not done that yet. Even his newer Dunk and Egg series isnt finished because the fat fuck cannot finish anything.
That sweet, sweet HBO money for chicken wings is a helluva thing.
 
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Supposedly he got paid over $200M for Game of Thrones and I'm sure he's making lots of money from HotD too, on top of whatever he already banked from the books. He has no incentive to work now except to make all the nerds on Twitter stop crying.
 
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Supposedly he got paid over $200M for Game of Thrones and I'm sure he's making lots of money from HotD too, on top of whatever he already banked from the books. He has no incentive to work now except to make all the nerds on Twitter stop crying.
don't know how much he made from the books before the show, but during the 1st season he reportedly made $15m off sales then $10-12m per year after that.
 
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First three books are some of the best fantasy literature, you're doing yourself a disservice by not reading them.

GoT showrunners and GRRM himself have permanently tarnished his legacy however. There's no way he achieves anything close to Tolkien or Herbert.
Except when you read them you are infected like the rest of us wanting the fat bastard to finish them all!
 

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Tolkien just wrote as a hobby. He had multiple drafts of The Silmarillion that his son could complile into what is a pretty good book, the problem was too much of some bits and not enough of others.

It's not comperable. GRRM doesn't even have a child to publish the cut Dance of the Dragons chapters and pretend they are Winds of Winter.
 
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Been a while since I read about Tolkien but wasn't fantasy really looked down upon during his time?
 

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Supposedly he got paid over $200M for Game of Thrones and I'm sure he's making lots of money from HotD too, on top of whatever he already banked from the books. He has no incentive to work now except to make all the nerds on Twitter stop crying.
I understand what you're saying and that's exactly what he ended up doing, but from my understanding of the man he used to write screenplays for television, and all kinds of short stories, and whatever to try to break into the industry, make some money. Suddenly he gets a load of cash finally becomes famous, rich, etc. selling his greatest achievement.

I had thought that when he started writing this series of books, this was going to be his magnum opus. The one thing he's going to be remembered for, his greatest work, and then he just gave up?

It's honestly really sad. Look at Robert Jordan. Yeah The wheel of Time stuff got pretty dull towards the end but he was still plugging away, and at least his wife made certain to complete everything, because as an author that was his legacy.

Brandon Sanderson, the mans a machine, and obviously just loves what he does. Hell even retarded King it's still writing books, even if he went off the deep end.

I just don't know if it was really all about the money, and I think that had a big part to play in it, but there's also a chance that he just got burned out, and lost the passion for what he was doing.

It really is a shame, because I know a lot of people really enjoyed his stories, but instead you get undead Babyface Giant fighting his brother in a CGI Castle.

I would never put him in the same league as Herbert or Tolkien, or basically anybody that's able to actually finish their goddamn books and tell their story. Is he a failure yes and no. Did he make boatloads of cash absolutely, and some people will say he's highly successful for that, but if one thing you wanted to create was just left in the oven to burn, well then that's a pretty big failure.
 
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