Yeah, and even if they could get the abortion right at the moment of conception they're still perfectly nice people who are doing something indefensibly immoral. I understand why they have to be able to, but clearly they're doing something that nobody should ever do...if ya catch my drift.
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You don't give a shit about them because you don't have principles (just a big enough mouth spew out coded bullshit like "life begins at conception").
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No bro, because it is just nonsense for you to argue about. Since reality doesn't fit the argument you want to make, you substitute your own reality. It is a part of what makes tolerating your presence on these forums such a chore.
Instead of persisting this "zygote" fallacy, why don't you just deal in reality? Why is that so difficult for you?
Instead of persisting this "zygote" fallacy, why don't you just deal in reality? Why is that so difficult for you?
If you say "life begins conception" in the context of the abortion debate and talk about how abortion is immoral, you are insinuating that you believe zygotes have some sort of moral weight (which would make their abortion immoral under the hypothetical I've given). The only reason you can give for that sort of value that doesn't rely on jebus is that if we fail to intervene eventually something with a mind (and therefore moral weight) will exist and so that moral weight travels backward in time (and apparently does so even if they get the abortion so I don't know how that works). Of course, we do that shit all the time. Every time you use a condom you are intervening in a way that will (at least possibly) prevent the development of a thinking, morally-significant being. Every time a condom prevents what would have been a pregnancy, the opportunity for whatever unique combination of DNA that would have produced, precisely the same sort of potential mind is lost.
So what else do you have to support "life begins at conception?" Can you come up with any argument that doesn't apply to condom use or invoke supernatural notions of identity?
So what else do you have to support "life begins at conception?" Can you come up with any argument that doesn't apply to condom use or invoke supernatural notions of identity?
WRONG SIR. "Life begins at conception" is very much a moral claim about life and about zygotes.
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No, it isn't. It is just a statement of fact. You are applying your own morality to it. And then trying to have a very specific hypothetical argument that you think you can win. Because winning is everything, I guess. If YOU think that there is a moral claim being made in a simple statement like that, then maybe you need to reevaluate your own beliefs.
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Yeah ok. Have fun pretending that that isn't a blatant assertion that a zygote is a person. OMGHESAIDAPERSONILLSAYCHIMPINSTEADBECAUSEPERSONMEA NSHUMANANDITSTOTALLYHUMANLLOLOLOLZ
This is pointless.
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Who ever said it wasn't? Didn't I specifically fucking say that it was? How fucking dense are you that you can't see past your own ass in virtually ANY discussion?
You're done. That's enough.