Abortion

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Why aren't you answering my question? This will be the third time I've asked. When is the cut off for it being a form of human life?
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
If you say "life begins conception" in the context of the abortion debate and talk about how abortion is immoral, you are insinuating that you believe zygotes have some sort of moral weight (which would make their abortion immoral under the hypothetical I've given). The only reason you can give for that sort of value that doesn't rely on jebus is that if we fail to intervene eventually something with a mind (and therefore moral weight) will exist and so that moral weight travels backward in time (and apparently does so even if they get the abortion so I don't know how that works). Of course, we do that shit all the time. Every time you use a condom you are intervening in a way that will (at least possibly) prevent the development of a thinking, morally-significant being. Every time a condom prevents what would have been a pregnancy, the opportunity for whatever unique combination of DNA that would have produced, precisely the same sort of potential mind is lost.

So what else do you have to support "life begins at conception?" Can you come up with any argument that doesn't apply to condom use or invoke supernatural notions of identity?
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This whole statement is dense with assumption. Stating that life beings at conception does NOT contain any implicit moral context. It makes no statement to the morality of abortion (moral, immoral or amoral) but it does make abortion a moral issue. Which is should, being as it involves humans, potential and otherwise.

My justification for saying life begins at conception does not rely on faith in a god. It relies on the belief that humans are not spawned from non human material. That using basic genetics for designation shows that all of the parts involved in the process are human in origin. And that at the moment of conception a new organism is created. It is no longer just an extension of the mother or the father at this point. It is not an inert object that will remain in this unfinished state. It is starting a process that will lead to a human being. What moral significance we assign to this organism is a separate question entirely.

So what is the importance of maintaining humanity even to this most basic level? Respect and reverence for the power of what we are doing. We respect the dead for the lives that they lived. We should respect this process for the lives we prevent. To deny the humanity of the situation simply lacks respect. It does not require a theology to feel that way.

And condom usage is not the same as abortion. The same way locking your front door is not the same as shooting an intruder.
 
hodj

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Yeah from every biological definition except maybe ONE, a zygote most definitely is a life form. Even gametes are considered life forms for all intents and purposes. Basically the only criteria, biologically, that fetuses and zygotes don't meet for the criteria of life is that they don't product their own food, but we consider parasites life forms regardless of that fact.

Another way to look at it is like this: If we found one cell on another planet, just one cell, we would say that we had done what? Discovered life that exists not on planet Earth, proof that life can exist all over the universe and that it isn't unique to planet Earth. Every scientist in the world would cheer this sort of discovery. Yet somehow a zygote isn't a "life"? Whether you agree with abortion or not, that shit is unscientific as fuck.

Mikhail's need to be this board's pariah is hilarious, by the way.
 
chaos

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TheBeagle_sl said:
It is the real world when legislators try to pass laws bestowing rights to zygotes.
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Which is retarded. But that isnt what he was talking about. He was making up some morality play about women aborting zygotes because he has to shit up literally every conversation he participates in.
 
chaos

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The Ancient_sl said:
What do you think Plan B is?
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Definitely not an "abortion" or even comparable to one.

Wikipedia Yo_sl said:
The primary mechanism of action of levonorgestrel as a progestogen-only emergency contraceptive pill is to prevent fertilization by inhibition of ovulation.[5][6][7][8] The International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics (FIGO) has issued a statement that: "review of the evidence suggests that LNG [levonorgestreol] ECPs cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Language on implantation should not be included in LNG ECP product labeling."[9][10] In June 2012, a New York Times editorial called on the FDA to remove from the label the unsupported suggestion that levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive pills inhibit implantation.[11]
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Adebisi

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Preventing fertilization is murder!

Or as I like to call it "moider"
 
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It's RU-486 the religious people don't agree with. Plan B is a non issue. It shows when a girl takes Plan B though that she is a moron.

a.) She isn't taking her birth control to protect herself ..
b.) Isn't having safe sex to protect herself .. (sure .001% are condom breaks, made up statistic)
c.) Doesn't know she is ovulating or completely ignores that concept ..
d.) Doesn't understand that most pregnancies are right away and Plan B only stops the small window of you having sperm up there the day before you ovulate, if it's the day after you are screwed (get it?)

It should be called like Plan F or something because there has to be so many things ignored for you to get to the point that you need it.
 
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a_skeleton_03bro, though you are banned, not all women are smart and educated. i.e. blacks and Hispanics, who seem to possess higher number of abortion rate.
 
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Trollface_sl said:
a_skeleton_03bro, though you are banned, not all women are smart and educated. i.e. blacks and Hispanics, who seem to possess higher number of abortion rate.
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Not quite true my friend.

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chaos_sl said:
You do understand how rates work, right? You just proved him right...
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I might have had a really long day at work so bear with me if I sound stupider than usual.

Rate is percentage right?

He is saying that blacks and hispanics have a higher rate of abortion, right?

The Guttmacher institute (#1 source for anything relating to things like this) says statistics show that more white people get abortions.

I am guessing my mistake is I didn't combine the two, right? He is saying all non whites are lumped together as uneducated? I guess I took them as three separate entities.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
The Guttmacher institute (#1 source for anything relating to things like this) says statistics show that more white people get abortions.
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There are a lot more white people, hence lower abortion rate amongst the population. You'll figure it out.

And then probably proceed to backtrack and explain how you weren't wrong and someone else misspoke or some shit.
 
chaos

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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
I might have had a really long day at work so bear with me if I sound stupider than usual.

Rate is percentage right?

He is saying that blacks and hispanics have a higher rate of abortion, right?

The Guttmacher institute (#1 source for anything relating to things like this) says statistics show that more white people get abortions.

I am guessing my mistake is I didn't combine the two, right? He is saying all non whites are lumped together as uneducated? I guess I took them as three separate entities.
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If 32 percent of women who get abortions are black, and black people make up 12% of the population AND THEN 36% of women who get abortions are white and white people make up 72% of the population...
 
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