Ancient Civilizations

Chris · Jul 30, 2024

mkopec said:
LOL, elevation is compared to sea level, this is pretty fucking flat area and definitely not a mountain. From the red/pink area vs the yellow is about 600 feet elevation difference spanning its entire 25 mile area, which is nothing. Plus the area around it is pretty much desert flat, lol. Pink/red

Richat Structure--colored according to elevation - 3D model by Soros90

A ~100 million years old Richat Structure is a vulcanic dome in Mauritania. If you want to know more information, you will find it under the next link: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261998692_The_eye_of_Africa_Richat_dome_Mauritania_An_isolated_Cretaceous_alkaline-hydrothermal_complex...

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Well how they get ships up there?

Most civilisation is at low elevation, especially back then when it was all about rivers.

mkopec · Jul 30, 2024

Chris said:
Well how they get ships up there?

Most civilisation is at low elevation, especially back then when it was all about rivers.

Never said it was some lost city, just pointing out to your dumb ass that this is definitely not a mountain, maybe a 600 foot hill spanning 25 miles at best, lol.

Chukzombi · Jul 30, 2024

Chris said:
You guys keep bringing this up. I debunked it with the elevation maps. It's on a fucking mountain.

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It's impossible for it to be the capital of a seafaring civilisation, anything like that would be underwater LIKE THE LEGEND SAYS!

Last time the discussion moved to tectonic plates being displaced and continent sized tidal waves to keep the cope alive. Let it go.

The peaks don't matter. In fact it just channels the water in a set path. You can see the washout in the satellite images. You keep dismissing it, but the evidence is right in front of you.

Chris · Jul 30, 2024

mkopec said:
Never said it was some lost city, just pointing out to your dumb ass that this is definitely not a mountain, maybe a 600 foot hill spanning 25 miles at best, lol.

It's pretty flat where I live!

Rajaah · Jul 30, 2024

Chris said:
You guys keep bringing this up. I debunked it with the elevation maps. It's on a fucking mountain.

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It's impossible for it to be the capital of a seafaring civilisation, anything like that would be underwater LIKE THE LEGEND SAYS!

Last time the discussion moved to tectonic plates being displaced and continent sized tidal waves to keep the cope alive. Let it go.

This map just backs it up more. That looks to me like a large basin in a raised area. Rain is caught in the basin and keeps the lake sustained. That spills over the side into the river that leads down and intersects with the larger river going inland from the Atlantic ocean eastward across the region (at the time).

It's a big ol' basin that was probably full of water outside of the rings that rose from it, whether they were artificially constructed by man or a previously-existing landform from the distant past.

Chris · Jul 30, 2024

Rajaah said:
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This map just backs it up more. That looks to me like a large basin in a mountain. Rain is caught in the basin and keeps the lake sustained. That spills over the side into the river that leads down and intersects with the larger river going inland from the Atlantic ocean eastward across the region (at the time).

It's a big ol' basin that was probably full of water outside of the rings that rose from it, whether they were artificially constructed by man or a previously-existing landform from the distant past.

Yeah people may have lived there if the climate was different and a lake formed.

There's no evidence for a more advanced settlement of any kind. You can't just make shit up.

Daidraco · Jul 30, 2024

Chris said:
Yeah people may have lived there if the climate was different and a lake formed.

There's no evidence for a more advanced settlement of any kind. You can't just make shit up.

This, coming from a person in a country that literally made up entire stories behind other cultures so they could take their shit and put it in a museum. lol "yOu JUsT caNt mAkE tHIs sHit Up!"

Chris · Jul 30, 2024

Daidraco said:
This, coming from a person in a country that literally made up entire stories behind other cultures so they could take their shit and put it in a museum. lol "yOu JUsT caNt mAkE tHIs sHit Up!"

I hope I'm not being judged by an American lmao.

Daidraco · Jul 30, 2024

Chris said:
I hope I'm not being judged by an American lmao.

As if you and your countries judgement even registers as worthy. :trollface:

Rajaah · Jul 30, 2024

Chris said:
Yeah people may have lived there if the climate was different and a lake formed.

There's no evidence for a more advanced settlement of any kind. You can't just make shit up.

10,000 years ago the climate was very different and there were lakes all over that area. Including that basin.

IIRC one of the super-old maps posted here a while back did show a lake in that area with a river coming down from it towards the main east-west river.

Also with the sea level 400 feet lower pre-flood, chances are the west coast of Africa extended out a lot more than it does now. Maybe those old "Nation of Gorgon" and "Nation of Atlantes" ideas weren't that far off.

Then 12k years ago the glaciers explode, all that gets flooded out, the above lakes probably get bigger, things re-freeze in the Younger Dryas. 9k years ago the temperature normalizes and this turns back into an Eden-like paradise for a while. 5k years ago the Sahara starts taking over and everything dries up. 2500 years ago the desert has taken shape and all of this is just legend passed down for a while, until the modern era when we can start trying to science things out and excavate and so forth.

Chris · Jul 30, 2024

Rajaah said:
10,000 years ago the climate was very different and there were lakes all over that area. Including that basin.

IIRC one of the super-old maps posted here a while back did show a lake in that area with a river coming down from it towards the main east-west river.

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Also with the sea level 400 feet lower pre-flood, chances are the west coast of Africa extended out a lot more than it does now. Maybe those old "Nation of Gorgon" and "Nation of Atlantes" ideas weren't that far off.

Then 12k years ago the glaciers explode, all that gets flooded out, the above lakes probably get bigger, things re-freeze in the Younger Dryas. 9k years ago the temperature normalizes and this turns back into an Eden-like paradise for a while. 5k years ago the Sahara starts taking over and everything dries up. 2500 years ago the desert has taken shape and all of this is just legend passed down for a while, until the modern era when we can start trying to science things out and excavate and so forth.

Yeah lost civilisations on the seabed after the iceage makes sense. This is the usual Atlantis theory. There's probably quite a few lost cities and civilisations.

For Richat you need more evidence than "looks cool from satellite".

Lenardo · Jul 30, 2024

What is missing is...Atlantis was on a sea...not ocean there COULD have been a sea up there...and it dried up, people get confused and think salt water= ocean, but an inland sea is entirely possible.. Was the richat structure atlantis.. It might have been 10 thousand or 12_thousand years ago. Then washout and all that erosion= nada left. There is evidence that there was salt water up there.

Chukzombi · Jul 30, 2024

Lenardo said:
What is missing is...Atlantis was on a sea...not ocean there COULD have been a sea up there...and it dried up, people get confused and think salt water= ocean, but an inland sea is entirely possible.. Was the richat structure atlantis.. It might have been 10 thousand or 12_thousand years ago. Then washout and all that erosion= nada left. There is evidence that there was salt water up there.

If that isn't a location of a massive amount of water traveling from right to left or vice versa, then wtf is that visble on the satellite photo? If you say water can't get up there. Maybe was there was a massive lake? Perhaps it was called lake megachad?

Oh will ya look at that and look at where it empties. Right through Richat.

Chris · Jul 31, 2024

Lenardo said:
What is missing is...Atlantis was on a sea...not ocean there COULD have been a sea up there...

A sea up there.

UP!?

Quaid · Jul 31, 2024

Sylas said:
We could of had 30 industrial revolutions over the last 100k years and the ice core record would never know about it.

We would not require ice core records to detect evidence of an industrial level agricultural society within the last million years, let alone the last hundred thousand.

Chris · Jul 31, 2024

Quaid said:
We would not require ice core records to detect evidence of an industrial level agricultural society within the last million years, let alone the last hundred thousand.

They aren't looking at the evidence and drawing conclusions based on it.

They are twisting anything they can to make their pet Atlantis theory be true, ignoring evidence that makes it less likely and dismissing experts who say otherwise because they reckon it makes sense to them.

Personally I think it's always worth looking at myths and legends to find the grain of truth behind them, that with the ice age sea level rise and finds on Doggerbank, tells me that there likley are things to find out there.

We are never going to definitively find Plato's Atlantis unless we find Ancient Egypt levels of ruins somewhere though.

Given that nobody else mentioned it, it's likely either a made up allegory or a smaller settlement that's been exaggerated.

latheboy · Jul 31, 2024

There's a town in Tasmania Australia called Maydena, my family and I were there early in the year and found heaps of fossilized sea shells and I mean heaps.. pick up a rock and break it, there's a fossil.. . altitude of 281M currently.. 921.9 ft.
No idea how old they are but the water levels have changed a lot over the life of the planet, up and down from what we know today...
A lot of mountains are still growing too with plate movement pushing them up.

There are old cities under the current sea level around the world.
There are ports well above the current sea level.
The Earth has changed so many times, how is it unreasonable that the Richat structure might have had a different elevation forever ago compared to today?
Australia had an inland sea, fossils to prove it. Whale bones have been found in the Sahara so another inland sea..
Some of you guys seem so fixated on the landscape we see today as being the only way the Earth has ever been..

TJT · Jul 31, 2024

I don't know why people think that a bronze age civilization couldn't or didn't flourish in the wet period of the Sahara. Something that even our own recorded history has. The Greeks knew it existed, so that knowledge was passed down from somewhere, by someone.

That civilization could have been just as large as our own Greek civilization in antiquity. You can make an educated guess at where it may have been, if the estimations of lakes and seas within the Sahara region are remotely accurate.

Leave it to you idiots to add in space lasers to every conversation for some reason. The only reasonable conclusion to make is that they had knowledge of stonemasonry, because it survived to current times, that did not make it into the modern tech tree. However mundane its nature truly is.

Quaid · Jul 31, 2024

latheboy said:
There's a town in Tasmania Australia called Maydena, my family and I were there early in the year and found heaps of fossilized sea shells and I mean heaps.. pick up a rock and break it, there's a fossil.. . altitude of 281M currently.. 921.9 ft.
No idea how old they are but the water levels have changed a lot over the life of the planet, up and down from what we know today...
A lot of mountains are still growing too with plate movement pushing them up.

There are old cities under the current sea level around the world.
There are ports well above the current sea level.
The Earth has changed so many times, how is it unreasonable that the Richat structure might have had a different elevation forever ago compared to today?
Australia had an inland sea, fossils to prove it. Whale bones have been found in the Sahara so another inland sea..
Some of you guys seem so fixated on the landscape we see today as being the only way the Earth has ever been..

Western Africa’s elevation changing by hundreds of feet in the last 20,000 years, if it happened, would be very obvious.

Chukzombi · Jul 31, 2024

Quaid said:
Western Africa’s elevation changing by hundreds of feet in the last 20,000 years, if it happened, would be very obvious.

it already had a massive lake there. along with many other lakes in the region.

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