Kaines
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Ashes of Creation
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zerodahero
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MMOs are the hardest games to make by a very large margin. Find some smart folks on the forum and make a scaled down fantasy RPG, and iterate from there. Even if you don't get past prototype, you'll get a new and fun (and frustrating) hobby. Just stay clear of people with more than one hair color.
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The biggest issue I see when you don't develop your own network stack/server and try to shoehorn an existing software to develop an MMO is the underlying persistent nature of an MMO. In normal multiplayer games--even with a large number of players or objects--once the match is over you can kill the server and start a fresh one. If it crashes just that match is affected. All players also start fresh, so it may be frustrating, but the other millions players couldn't care less.
That obviously doesn't fly in MMOs, especially when it is a competitive setting. You not only have to save every little bit of progress of any character, you also have to have a central authority. Doing server meshing is a headache in this situation, because if not watertight it can open yourself to a lot of transactional problems. The most glaring issue is duping of money/items, but also things like concurrent mining of limited resources can be an issue.
To top it off, if you do the ACID thing correctly, server meshing might not even let you scale out that much because everything is limited by the database in the first place.
zerodahero
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The DB cache for server meshing would most certainly need to use event sourcing to keep the multiple server-nodes in synch:
The scale of complexity grows quickly here, which is why these types of games are extremely difficult to make and run.
The scale of complexity grows quickly here, which is why these types of games are extremely difficult to make and run.
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Caching is not the silver bullet for transactional issues. You are just moving the fundamental issue of ACID properties from the database to the "high performance cache service". We called things like this "middleware" back in the day, and I've seen and heard about horrors with in-house developed servers like those so many times (especially from Java developers that have no database or computer science background) that I stopped counting after all my fingers and toes were used up. "That transaction number, the one that shows up on customer invoices ... shouldn't that be ... I don't know ... unique?"
Remember back in the day when playing EverQuest and you got chat messages like "Saving character", and the common wisdom was when you looted a great item to drop a copper coin to force the server to update your character in the database?
Also, the issue is exacerbated when you decide to have a non-instanced + seamless world, like in the case of Ashes of Creation, because there is no easy way to partition.
That is a way to partition the load, but at the same time MMO systems are usually interlocking and interdependent: Quests requiring looting items (and when following the WoW design, also affecting loot tables), player states being affected by zone data (for example like M+ affixes, or jumping into water or lava), and combat being affected by items, buffs, or encounters.
You are describing a transaction log. You know, the like the ones we are using in things like ... databases and journaling filesystems? Although filesystems usually use intent logs.
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Daidraco
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If that patch Shariff is talking about drops at the end of March like its supposed to - think Ill finally update the game and play again. Sieges
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zerodahero
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Transaction logs and event sourcing aren't quite the same pattern, but they're close enough that I understand your point. Event sourcing scales better for writes, where transaction logs are excellent for reads.
Microservice architecture is widely used today even if if some people had issues using middleware with Java back in your day, whenever that was.
Microservice architecture is widely used today even if if some people had issues using middleware with Java back in your day, whenever that was.
let me know if you get on and want to run with us on Lyneth serverIf that patch Shariff is talking about drops at the end of March like its supposed to - think Ill finally update the game and play again. Sieges
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Node development will affect dungeon access. Here is a picture of a dungeon that is currently not accessible because the node has not developed to the point where it opens (under
this large statue in the desert). Ive ran into probably 3 of these in the desert, and one in the riverlands areas,
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this large statue in the desert). Ive ran into probably 3 of these in the desert, and one in the riverlands areas,
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Mahes
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I think it hit the ptr for testing. This game has gone kind of quiet all around after the server merger they did in phase 2. They supposedly have a large patch coming pretty soon that I think includes the rogue. At this rate, 6 months to go for the class I actually am interested in.....The Summoner. They also started testing on the ptr for naval combat? I am kind of surprised just because so much basic stuff needs work or reworking. Why test on brand new systems?
Xexx
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Yeah the Dec 20th patch/merger/failing is why i more or less stopped playing. So many things they were supposed to add didnt make it. There was literally no reason to do a wipe for what little they changed.
Rogue is out on the 27th, as well as further node expansion in the desert region and nodes being added in the tropics region. We have a few groups being made on the lyneth server (with our twinks) to help out people coming to play rogue.
Naval combat goes onto PTR in 2 days.
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The internal teams are comical some times here. The node team will say we need to test this, than team X comes in and uses the opportunity to test their feature, but this wasn't discussed so now something broke. Internally this team butts heads all the time.. Hopefully by launch this dev. team can get their shit together. My boy left this job recently, happy for him. dThey were only starting engineers at 80k anyways.
Cheers
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