Avengers: Endgame (2019)

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Gavinmad

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Remind me what "on your left" is referring to? I can't remember what part that was now.

His introduction to Sam in Winter Soldier. Amusingly enough when they revamped Cap in Marvel Heroes, that's what they named his sprinting travel power.
 

Inque

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I think it's just a matter of not fucking over another timeline for yourself. Plus, they had no chance of getting the stone off the Ancient One without making that deal

Pretty much this. They had to return the stones to their time. Steve opted to retire with Peggy, live a life, and return on the exact day to say HI I'm ALIVE and give Falcon the shield.
 

Xevy

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I like how their time travel was explained like 4 times in movie to try and make sure the audience understood. And 75% of you still don't. Probably the same people wondering how Varys teleports in Game of Thrones.

Old Cap: He leaves, goes to an ALTERNATE TIMELINE. So he's there, not in the past of the "Main" timeline. He's in, let's say, timeline B. Timeline B continues and he allows everything in Timeline B that occured in Main Timeline to happen. Why? Because it's not truly his timeline. And as bad as that shit is, he knows they all eventually get through it. And again, if he interferes he could set the Timeline B on a weird path that would be potentially worse and unfamiliar to him.

Cap could come back whenever he wanted. He had the time travel compass. There's no reason he didn't come back when the original team left and then just wandered away until everything was done and then came back for Stark's funeral at the right time. Literally this would involve old Cap using his time return device AT ANY POINT when Tony has created the time dilation device or whatever the fuck it is.

As for the "her husband" thing and Peggy Carter, I don't think that's Cap in the main timeline. It's just another person they haven't revealed or won't reveal because not every fucking person in the marvel universe has to be a superhero or something. Cap is Peggy's husband in Timeline B, and when she dies he comes back to Main Timeline. At no point is anything he's doing influencing the outcomes or past of Main timeline as they explicitly mentioned this like, 3+ fucking times.

The last episode of Future Man actually shows this to a much better extent. You can't go back and change the past. You can only create new timelines.
 
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Inque

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Agreed. People are trying to read WAY too much into this. At some point we'll get Fantastic Four and MAYBE setup multiverse or Secret War or whatever but until that time this is as good as it gets. I'm willing to settle. There's so many different opportunities that could've been introduced, should have been removed, no way this was going to be the perfect movie. However, I think the send offs they did for everyone and the setup potential is now limitless.
 
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Captain Suave

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when she dies he comes back to Main Timeline.

Except we know he didn't use his time-return ripcord since he didn't arrive on Hulk's platform and instead walked to the bench. To a non-tortured interpretation, that means that the alternate past ends up being the main present in violation of the rules you cite. If they'd wanted it your way they should have had aged Cap appear on the platform after a dramatic delay, or something.

It doesn't really bother me, since it allowed a serviceable sendoff to Cap.
 
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Xevy

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Except we know he didn't use his time-return ripcord since he didn't arrive on Hulk's platform and instead walked to the bench. If they'd wanted it your way they would have had aged Cap appear on the platform after a dramatic delay, or something.

Like I said, he had literally any time from the creation of that platform to then, to show up. So no, he could've literally done it at any point after Stark created it and just layed low.
 

Captain Suave

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Like I said, he had literally any time from the creation of that platform to then, to show up. So no, he could've literally done it at any point after Stark created it and just layed low.

The impression I got was that the return point was dictated by the landing platform. That's why Ant-man didn't get back until the rat activated his van, and how as the team was collecting the gems they could all have missions of different lengths and return together. That expectation was also implied by the three in the last scene when Cap didn't return.
 
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Cybsled

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Near as I can tell Agents of Shield isn't really considered MCU canon, even if the show itself is bound by the MCU canon.

Yes, although they didn't have the same issue with the Agent Carter TV show. They used the same actor for Jarvis in his brief cameo.
 

Gavinmad

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Yes, although they didn't have the same issue with the Agent Carter TV show. They used the same actor for Jarvis in his brief cameo.

Agent Carter comes dangerously close to conflicting with MCU canon, but I am glad they gave Jarvis a nod.
 

hodj

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Bout to watch this motherfucker.

No spoilers guise plzkthx
 
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Xevy

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The impression I got was that the return point was dictated by the landing platform. That's why Ant-man couldn't get back until the rat activated his van, and how as the team was collecting the gems they could all have missions of different lengths and return together. That expectation was also implied by the three in the last scene when Cap didn't return.

The rat merely activated Ant Man's portal allowing him to leave. After getting the Power stone War Machine literally says "Let's sync up with the others" meaning he was basically just making sure they all arrive back at the same time, but I don't think it was necessary. I think they did that because they wanted to make sure they all came back at the same exact moment with all stones in one place. It is my understanding that they just need an "outlet" for their equipment to work. Basically a receiver built for their time compasses. Any one will do at any time. They just did it all synchronized because it was a heist mission and that was all for show.
 

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In regards to people carrying the stones, we've only witnessed a couple of stones absolutely disintegrate people. Seems to be primarily the powerstone as even when Thanos grabs it and punches Capt. Marvel in the final battle it messes his hand up. Other stones like the Soul Stone, doesn't seem to have any affect on anyone that holds it. Time stone seems to be easily handled without much burning, cracking, etc. I'm not sure if it's inconsistent or if it comes down to the stone itself but there has been plenty of moments where stones outside of the GotG movie that seems to be ok to handle. Maybe i'm remembering this wrong.
 
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Wombat

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Wong literally brought...EVERYONE. This is gonna be repeat viewings, so many cameo's.

Admittedly, the visuals will only be appreciated pausing the 4k version, but we don't even know who Wong is at this point. It's been five years since Strange got dusted, Wong could easily be the Sorcerer Supreme now. (T'Challa has been dead for five years, he sure as hell isn't King of Wakanda anymore either.)

Why are so many people confused by Vision? The entire assault on Wakanda was the Wakandans irrationally sacrificing themselves so Vision's personality could be backed up before Scarlet Witch had to destroy his stone. Either Shuri succeeded and he'll be back as is, or she mostly succeeded and we'll get monochrome Vision in the show.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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Forgive me, but a lot of these stones, are they actually touching them? Like the time stone, aren't they almost like levitating it somehow?

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Aychamo BanBan

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Admittedly, the visuals will only be appreciated pausing the 4k version, but we don't even know who Wong is at this point. It's been five years since Strange got dusted, Wong could easily be the Sorcerer Supreme now. (T'Challa has been dead for five years, he sure as hell isn't King of Wakanda anymore either.)

Very interesting points that I doubt we will ever get answers to.
 

Xevy

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I wonder when they were planning on getting the stones if some one knew what had to be done for the Soul Stone. I could imagine Thor being like "Oh... send the hummies then."

Imagine fucking Thor on Morag talking to Red Skull. Then softly sobbing as he dropped a fucking entire Keg off the cliff.
 
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Daezuel

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So somehow the soul gem will reform and the gotg will fight Adam Warlock, he will end up in the soul gem and release both Gamora and BW.

I guess they can introduce Kang now with all the time travel shenanigans. Kang detects time travel on Earth and shows up to conquer.

Also I guess all the snaps could have awoken the Beyonder. Lots of directions to go but now you have to use the 2nd rate Avengers to carry it.
 
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