Battlefield 4 (Frostbite 3)

Or don't allow repair from inside vehicles and go from there.

Kreugen_sl said:

Or don't allow repair from inside vehicles and go from there.

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This man knows whats up

Kreugen_sl said:

Or don't allow repair from inside vehicles and go from there.

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This is exactly what needs to be done.

The scout heli is really tough to balance as is, it would be preferable to do one of two things.

A. Buff other vehicles and weapons, constantly nerfing everything only achieves to make them pointless and the game more frustrating.

B. Remove a repair spot. With no engineer on board the scout has to be very careful and even then probably won't last more than a couple of minutes. With a single engineer the scout becomes quite strong, if I'm in the mood for repairing for a good pilot I always run with an Igla, it makes the scout heli very very strong against other air as long as the chopper pilot has 1/2 a brain to realise and use it to their advantage. With 2 engineers the scout becomes an indestructible force and terror to all on the map.

I really don't believe it should be nerfed though, it's 100% fun to use and even fun just repairing for good pilots.

People are too obsessed with making shit not fun.

A good pilot like "Soviet" ruined me, if he isn't flying I don't get into shit. No idea how he does it, I practiced my ass off to match his movements but still couldn't come close. He flew as support, I repaired and coordinated stingers the domination was insane and every time the other team raged. The point is the elite 1% that make shit overpowered get it nerfed into shit for the normal folk.

Yeah I think that's the reason they should just leave it alone, if they nerf it it becomes completely useless for regular players.

Hatorade_sl said:

The point is the elite 1% that make shit overpowered get it nerfed into shit for the normal folk.

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This; people are just going to have to accept that said players are going to be able to consistently shit all over them unless they're skilled enough to deal with them, and/or they're on a worthwhile team. Nut up or shut up.

Unless of course, they're traveling in large groups like my friends and I have been doing lately. In which case, there is literally no hope and the focus of the game is entirely directed towards our fun at the expense of everyone else's. As it should be.

So two helis should be balanced the same even though one can have two people in it repairing and the other cannot. This makes sense.

Morsakin_sl said:

This; people are just going to have to accept that said players are going to be able to consistently shit all over them unless they're skilled enough to deal with them, and/or they're on a worthwhile team. Nut up or shut up.

Unless of course, they're traveling in large groups like my friends and I have been doing lately. In which case, there is literally no hope and the focus of the game is entirely directed towards our fun at the expense of everyone else's. As it should be.

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You're such a douchebag I swear.

Gaige_sl said:

You're such a douchebag I swear.

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You're just noticing this? Attitude wise He's like a lower end high MMR player in the MOBA of your choice.

Gaige_sl said:

You're such a douchebag I swear.

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While I can see how my comment might seem coarse, what alternative would you propose? The fundamental concept of FPS' implies that you're having fun at the expense of someone else. Skilled players simply create an increasingly disproportionate level of enjoyment. Said players should be able to dominate lesser skilled players, especially the hordes of baddies one can't help but notice in every_single_pub they join. As for playing with my friends; I like to play with players of similar skill levels and disregard the notion that I should attempt to lessen my personal enjoyment so that others might have some fun as well, fuck me right? You can argue the morality of it, sure, but you can't argue the fact that the game does indeed shift towards our sole enjoyment as we rape the everliving fuck out of other players whenever we play in even small numbers. The inherent design of the game itself affords us the ability to do so. We ultimately play for our own personal enjoyment, so I don't see why the enjoyment of my opponents should be a consideration whatsoever. If it means I'm having more fun, whomever isn't enjoying themselves as a result is of no consequence.

a good player wants to compete against other good players, not just beat retards. a bully/asshole just wants to beat up little kids, its too bad your parents didn't raise you better

i can't even play bf4 anymore anyways, after titanfall it feels way, way too slow. i always hated COD but the parkour and titan mechanics are just too fun. hopefully naval strike is interesting, but i'm pretty sure it'll just be another ton of shitty bugs

The thing about bf4 though, shit stomping a team is every bit as boring as being on the receiving end of it. Because all you can do is sit in a big arc around the uncap waiting for some idiot to come charging out, just like that picture. I don't know how many buddies you are talking about rolling with - 3? 4? 10? At some point, you are better off playing against each other than stacking one team and standing around with your dicks up each other's butts.

Kreugen_sl said:

At some point, you are better off playing against each other than stacking one team and standing around with your dicks up each other's butts.

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That's what scrims are for; unfortunately the competitive scene in this game is all but non-existent due to reasons I doubt need any mention. Every time we end up on opposite teams we just end up kill trading all day long due to knowing each others playstyles and tendencies down to a T, nevermind having to go through the process of continually re-adjusting who's in what mumble channel if we're on a ranked server of any sort so as to be able to communicate effectively, or the fact that many of our specialties are an exact antithesis to various other players', e.g. Slaughter in the AA, Hide in the little bird / infy, certain others in jets and so forth. It would literally just turn into a rock paper scissors match of attempting to counteract what we know they're going to bring to the table, with each of us going after one another so as to counteract their relative effectiveness.

All we have to even resemble said scrims is various platoon challenges that are popping up, or various other groups of similar size and scope that like to follow us into servers or vice-versa. The last time we had a match of this caliber was when we had 9 of the top 30 individuals in the country in the same server duking it out with a 4/5 split favoring them, and it was a fucking blast. Unfortunately opposition of this sort is few and far between. We should be doing somewhere between a 16v16 to 32v32 against Symthic folks here sometime soon. If any of you know of any platoons up for said challenge, tell them to post on the Casual Farmers' Association / CFA platoon page and I'd be happy to discuss specifics.

spronk_sl said:

a good player wants to compete against other good players, not just beat retards. a bully/asshole just wants to beat up little kids, its too bad your parents didn't raise you better

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I'll take the asshole comment freely; I have no illusions as to why it comes off this way. Bully, eh. If there were organized teams left that actually would entertain the challenge, I'd be more than up for it, though this has already been explained above. Outside of the potential challenges likewise mentioned above, there's little left to do besides beat said retards into the dirt in the hopes that some of them might come to their senses and stop being so bad. Most of the individuals I play with have nothing to prove to anyone, doubly so when there's no competitive scene, thus we simply enjoy gaming with one another as we have for several years now. We're talking about a mixture of members from some of the top clans in the world, whether it's in BF4 or BF3/BC2 (rivaL, legacy, Exertus, clerks, shot docs, etc.), who are now for the most part defunct so we're essentially at the peak of where we need to be for a game that's already dead competition-wise.

Give me a Battlefield game that isn't ridden with bugs and fundamental mechanic issues, or weapons with disproportionate skill / effectiveness levels and you'd quickly see us going back to the BC2 days of hardly being seen in pubs, or in those which are known to be populated with skilled players. Until then we're simply squeezing what enjoyment we can out of this title.

Kreugen_sl said:

The thing about bf4 though, shit stomping a team is every bit as boring as being on the receiving end of it. Because all you can do is sit in a big arc around the uncap waiting for some idiot to come charging out, just like that picture. I don't know how many buddies you are talking about rolling with - 3? 4? 10? At some point, you are better off playing against each other than stacking one team and standing around with your dicks up each other's butts.

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Yeah basically what these "uberskilled" players do is absolutely nothing special, they just play in a large group and use communications.

Zerging an objective then camping it are not exactly what I would describe as great skill, it is strength in numbers and coordinated play.

If only everyone gave such an the enormous fuck about making themselves feel important in a videogame.

How exactly do you expect a server of nothing but pugs to "stop being retards"?

That's always been my problem with BF4, and BF3 as well, it's basically designed for stomping pubs. You aren't matched against other squads, it's just random pubs who are probably being recycled as everyone on that team leaves and someone else fills their place until they realize it's just a group stomping them. That and it only takes the slightest bit of coordination to throw the game out of balance thanks to things like scout choppers.

It's just badly designed, especially when you consider how stats crazy it is and how many stat whores exist in this game. Look at the jack offs flaunting their awesome spm's because they crush public servers together. Congratulations, that's basically the least competitive thing you can do in any video game. It's not really their fault that the game is designed that way, it's all DICE's fault, but still, if you ever needed a definition of try-hard gaming look to "competitive" BF players

It's horrible being on the stomping team or getting stomped, and it happens in easy 75% of the games I'm in, which is why often times when I decide to play BF4 I end up just quitting 15 minutes later. You're either shit stomping or getting shit stomped, and finding server with evenly balanced teams is like finding a needle in a haystack

He seems to have a fairly insecure personality, and no outlet for anger generated due to unhappiness in his personal life.

psych indicators:

1. Pads stats with vehicles.
2. Displays said stats in a forum tag.
3. Gets pleasure/ from pubstomping with his friends in a game where all it takes to create a huge team imbalance is a single squad of above average players with voip.
3a. The need to post multiple times about people complaining about the imbalanced teams/team stacking.
4. Seems to draw much of his ego from a fairly casual game.
5. Several posts giving tips to shed light on what an expert he is at the game, and to draw more attention to himself to tickle ego even more.


Edit: Individually those observations could be made about anyone that plays a video game. But I find the combination of them to paint a picture.

he probably also works at mcdonalds
and maybe a small dick

It's kind of MMO mentality in a way, you grind mindlessly to flaunt your numbers. People like him certainly mistake their obsession for crushing people who are oblivious and just want to have some fun for being skilled or talented though. I guess they just want to be recognized being good at something without realizing what they are doing is actually kind of pathetic. I still have to lay blame at the feet of DICE more than anyone, playing with friends shouldn't completely break a game the way it does with the Battlefield series. They are the ones that enabled these guys who convince themselves they are professional gamers for stomping disorganized mobs