Better Call Saul

whomever it was has impeccable foresight, they knew mike wouldnt have a clear shot on Tio Salamanca .

Muurloen_sl said:

Naw it was Huell.

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Huell and Todd need spin-offs.

Chuck is such an asshole lol. No, not you astro..

well, didn't necessarily mean personally Gus.

Well what a bunch of bullshit that was. In the context of things, I think I enjoyed the fly BB episode more then this.

Overall I enjoyed the season, but I was expecting Saul to become Saul by the end. I really hope they don't try to milk the show until it becomes unbearable to watch. I'd say they are a season away from that.

So all the people (was it more than just Borzak?) bitching about nothing happening in an episode finally got their wish. I didn't realize that was the finale until coming to this thread, and now I'm severely disappointed. That was essentially a filler episode to end the season. Lame.

Better Call Saul Creators Confirm Episode Title Hidden Message - IGN

confirmed

HUH_sl said:

Cliffhanger was stupid too. The tape brings nothing new to the table. It could be enough to ruin Jimmy's relationship with Kim, but Kim already knows. It could be enough to get Jimmy fired, except he works for himself. Chuck is literally a signature away from being committed to a mental hospital so his primary caregiver confessing to a crime while trying to talk him down from a complete mental break down doesn't seem like it would go very far. Unless Chuck gathers a mountain of evidence he's too far gone pose a threat to Jimmy. So that's what s3 will probably be about, Chuck making his case to take Jimmy down.

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I think this is one of those disadvantages of the show being a prequel. The cliffhanger doesn't have much sting because weknowJimmy doesn't get disbarred. If this wasn't a prequel, we might be speculating more on what Chuck does with Jimmy's confession, but since we know Jimmy continues to practice law (even in the same state), it really limits where that storyline can go. Perhaps Chuck can hold it over Jimmy's head, but we know it's not really a bullet being put into the chamber of a gun.

And speaking of the show being a prequel, I'm surprised we didn't get to see anymore of Gene. When the show first started, I thought we'd see a progression of Gene's story, but mostly nothing has happened there.

BrutulTM_sl said:

I don't agree with the people who have been hating on the series but I do think that they have gone a bit over the top turning Chuck into a cartoon villain and I don't have any idea WTF Mike is trying to do or why.

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I was wondering if I was forgetting something with Mike. I remember that he got blackmailed to remove Tuco's gun possession charge (though he got greatly compensated for doing so), but I don't know why he's now so intent on killing Hector. I guess it's just a personal vendetta? but that seems sort of out of character for Mike.

Cantatus_sl said:

I think this is one of those disadvantages of the show being a prequel. The cliffhanger doesn't have much sting because weknowJimmy doesn't get disbarred. If this wasn't a prequel, we might be speculating more on what Chuck does with Jimmy's confession, but since we know Jimmy continues to practice law (even in the same state), it really limits where that storyline can go. Perhaps Chuck can hold it over Jimmy's head, but we know it's not really a bullet being put into the chamber of a gun.

And speaking of the show being a prequel, I'm surprised we didn't get to see anymore of Gene. When the show first started, I thought we'd see a progression of Gene's story, but mostly nothing has happened there.



I was wondering if I was forgetting something with Mike. I remember that he got blackmailed to remove Tuco's gun possession charge (though he got greatly compensated for doing so), but I don't know why he's now so intent on killing Hector. I guess it's just a personal vendetta? but that seems sort of out of character for Mike.

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for one very important reason, hector threatened mike's grandaughter. he will do anything to keep her safe, even if that means putting up with her crazy ass mother and killing an entire cartel family, including the scary Juarez brothers

I think Mike was willing to let it go until he learned of the good Samaritan's murder. If his granddaughter's safety was his only concern, it would have been fine walking away after accepting the gun charge. Instead he jacked the truck and now was going to kill Hector. I think you can find some similarities between him and White. If White had only accepted the ex-friend's money at the beginning of Breaking Bad, he would have been able to treat his cancer and take care of his family, but he was too proud. Likewise, I think Mike can't let things go without getting what he perceives to be justice or revenge (remember him killing the guys who killed his son).

It's obviously Hector and his guys wouldn't hear the horn since Mike barely heard it. Gus's crew (or whoever) likely didn't want to directly confront Mike for fear of a confrontation with gunfire that Hector's crew might hear (and they clearly didn't want Mike dead). Perhaps Gus has something else in the works that killing Hector at that time would screw up. There's a few possibilities. It was smart except for the fact that Mike would have fired the shot had he gotten a clean angle. I'll give BCS a pass for that obvious desire to build tension given how smart and straight they usually play it.

I really can't agree with the negative perceptions of the show. I thought Mike's story was a good cliffhanger, whether you know about Gus or not. Likewise with Jimmy and Chuck you get a further escalation and progression of their relationship. Yes, he won't get disbarred, but there's still a lot to resolve between them (and Kim). I know this is a board where the movie forum is completely dominated by comic book movies so maybe there's just different expectations at play, but this is a drama that's plumbing the depths of the characters relationships and motives and I appreciate it. I'm somewhat surprised I'm so engrossed given the reality of knowing how certain things can or cannot be because of BB.

People talk about wanting Saul, but what do you really want? We already know Saul and have seen him. Do you want a story of the week show where Saul gets some criminal off the hook due to some crazy scheme? If that's the case, I don't think you'll ever find what you're looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if, when the show is over, Saul was only in a small portion of it.

As far as the future, it seems like there will be a continuing Chuck and Jimmy escalation. My guess is Chuck is ultimately responsible for souring the relationship between Kim and Jimmy and Jimmy is again given the choice to commit Chuck after one of his episodes and then actually goes through with it. I feel like it's been brought up too many times for it not to come into play at some point.

BrutulTM_sl said:

I don't agree with the people who have been hating on the series but I do think that they have gone a bit over the top turning Chuck into a cartoon villain and I don't have any idea WTF Mike is trying to do or why.

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He's not a cartoon villain. They've shown plenty of reasons for Chuck to resent Jimmy the way he does.

HUH_sl said:

so his primary caregiver confessing to a crime while trying to talk him down from a complete mental break down doesn't seem like it would go very far.

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Also, that tape wouldn't be admissible in court, right? You can't secretly record someone without their permission. Chuck is a lawyer so obviously he knows this, so what's the point?

ShakyJake_sl said:

Also, that tape wouldn't be admissible in court, right? You can't secretly record someone without their permission. Chuck is a lawyer so obviously he knows this, so what's the point?

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It varies state by state. It's legal in New Mexico

What about since Chuck is the only family that Jimmy has, and vice versa, wouldn't Jimmy be protected from his confession to Chuck?

Not sure if I am asking that question correctly, but a confidentiality kind of thing I guess.

Right, but since Jimmy has temporary emergency guardianship wouldn't that garner him some sort of immunity/protection from anything he says to Chuck?

Just throwing darts the board here.