Bioshock Infinite

Vaclav · Apr 4, 2013

Kuriin_sl said:
I think I'm almost done with the game. I've really tried looking for everything... I have, I think, gotten about 50 or so of the Voxophones. Where the hell can the other ones be, ugh.

Almost platinumed here, looking for 1 telescope/kinetoscope and 1 voxophone besides the Handyman heartshot one here myself - so annoying going level by level dredging for the missing one of each. (Thankfully I got the strat guide free for buying the season pass with the initial purchase, but still annoying even with the guide)

Jait · Apr 4, 2013

Kuriin_sl said:
I tried doing that, but, it's hard for me to sneak. I'm just so flaming.

There's sneaking in this game? I finished on Hard. Not going to bother with 1999, but it must be a helluva lot harder if you need to sneak.

Most underrated part of the game:

The Lutece. They are the whole story. They should have added a better connection to why the woman would work for Comstock in the first place. We get that she's amoral, but was it money? Religion? What?

That the parallel version (her "brother") had a conscious and couldn't bear to see Elizabeth being tortured/abused is the only reason the game exists. And they are truly the most underdeveloped part of the story. Who did he work for in his and DeWitt's universe? Hoping for a DLC from their point of view or something to explain how all this came to pass beyond knowing they communicated via morse code through an atom. The sister still seems to think of it all as a thought experiment, being scientific almost to the point of being nihilistic, it makes me wonder if she doesn't have a bigger plan down the road.

Caliane · Apr 4, 2013

Jait_sl said:
There's sneaking in this game? I finished on Hard. Not going to bother with 1999, but it must be a helluva lot harder if you need to sneak.

Most underrated part of the game:

The Lutece. They are the whole story. They should have added a better connection to why the woman would work for Comstock in the first place. We get that she's amoral, but was it money? Religion? What?

That the parallel version (her "brother") had a conscious and couldn't bear to see Elizabeth being tortured/abused is the only reason the game exists. And they are truly the most underdeveloped part of the story. Hoping for a DLC from their point of view or something to explain how all this came to pass. The sister still seems to think of it all as a thought experiment, being scientific almost to the point of being nihilistic, it makes me wonder if she doesn't have a bigger plan down the road.

I noticed on replay. the quote at the start of the game.l:
"The mind of the subject will desperately struggle to create memories where none exist..." Barriers to Trans-Dimensional Travel, -R. Lutece, 1889

1889. this was BEFORE wounded knee. And just says R. doesn't specify male or female. although male is the one that says that in game. but this gives a clear timeline, saying that male Lutece almost certainly had crossed over long before the baptism or meeting Comstock.
They should only by spread across the multiverse if Fink tries to murder them. in the same way Elizabeth should loose her power Although, the games final scene, and female Lutece's comments on time being an ocean may imply that the drowning didn't fix anything.
So the question of why exactly they worked for Comstock really does come up again. The city was seemingly her idea. The machine was working already. They are British?(why would they be hand in hand with a nationalist) Maybe they were just plain racist. Maybe they were the reason for Comstocks racism. he was just bowing to their demands in order to use their tech.

Amzin · Apr 4, 2013

Jait_sl said:
There's sneaking in this game? I finished on Hard. Not going to bother with 1999, but it must be a helluva lot harder if you need to sneak.

Most underrated part of the game:

The Lutece. They are the whole story. They should have added a better connection to why the woman would work for Comstock in the first place. We get that she's amoral, but was it money? Religion? What?

That the parallel version (her "brother") had a conscious and couldn't bear to see Elizabeth being tortured/abused is the only reason the game exists. And they are truly the most underdeveloped part of the story. Hoping for a DLC from their point of view or something to explain how all this came to pass. The sister still seems to think of it all as a thought experiment, being scientific almost to the point of being nihilistic, it makes me wonder if she doesn't have a bigger plan down the road.

It was money. She needed funding for her experiments and so built the floaty part of the floating city for big bucks and kept getting more funding from Comstock for continued quantum fuckery. There's agreat spoiler threadon Neogaf that I'm kind of stealing this from, but yea, girl Lutece is nihilistic and guy Lutece is more deterministic.

Taloo_sl · Apr 4, 2013

Amzin_sl said:
It was money. She needed funding for her experiments and so built the floaty part of the floating city for big bucks and kept getting more funding from Comstock for continued quantum fuckery. There's agreat spoiler threadon Neogaf that I'm kind of stealing this from, but yea, girl Lutece is nihilistic and guy Lutece is more deterministic.

This. Its touched on in a few of the voxophones. You see the same thing in rapture concerning adam iirc. I could be remembering wrong though.

Vaclav · Apr 4, 2013

FYI I'm 99% sure the Luteces are going to be the primary story to one of the DLC only way I can make sense of them having such a great but incomplete story covered in the main game. (I assume the Fink bros as another nothing seems obvious as the third to me though - Vox/Founder war is quite covered and has a board game coming)

Hatorade · Apr 5, 2013

A look into how daisey and fink became who they are would be welcome for first dlc, I can see those red tears being used somehow.

I forget what other games theses guys made besides bioshock, but a red tear into one of there other games would be fantastic.

Zombie Thorne_sl · Apr 5, 2013

Finished this last night. Probably in my top 10 of best games ever (along with Bioshock and System Shock 2).

Elizabeth is one of the best companions ever created in a game. Thematically and technically.

The Lutece's are just awesome. Story is great and leaves just enough unanswered. It does seem like there was a lot of stuff cut out, which is a shame but I understand. Honestly, there is very little to criticize about this game, and most major critics just seem to not like it because it isn't the game they wanted, not because of its faults.

A++ would buy again! (Cant wait for Lutece/Songbird/Fink/Fitzroy DLC)

TrollfaceDeux · Apr 5, 2013

Would we be playing DLC as a separate side game or as part of an existing game path? narrative is too goddamn perfect.

Zaphid · Apr 5, 2013

I'm not sure I want DLC with additional story, the game is obviously very good with what it wants to say and doesn't want to say. Best example of that is obviously G-man, the day Valve releases any more info on that guy is they day their writers officially shit the bed. Mystery is more interesting than painfully describing every single detail. ME Reapers were the most interesting in the first and second one, especially Harbinger's speech, in ME3, they became merely an enemy you could defeat.

Cross-universe DLC feels a bit like fan-service, which I'm not sure is necessary.

Best DLC would be something like special sky police commando working across Columbia, before the game even starts or something like that. Remove it from the main story completely and let you have some fun with skylines and battles.

Joeboo · Apr 5, 2013

My predictions for the ending were way off, I honestly expected

That we'd end up fighting or somehow killing the Songbird and/or Comstock, and the city would end up dropping into the sea and becoming Rapture after being repaired/rebuilt by Ryan. Obviously I was way off. I just expected there to be more of a tie between Columbia and Rapture, than just existing in alternate/parallel universes. I expected them to be part of the same universe, just at different times.

Lenas · Apr 5, 2013

My initial guess about the twist was

that Booker eventually would always be transformed into the Songbird and be forced to forever watch over Elizabeth in some weird time loop.

which obv. ended up being way off the mark.

Dandai · Apr 5, 2013

Lol. Those are some interesting theories on the ending. I didn't allow myself to invest too much thought into it since I felt like it was a little too obvious from the beginning and I wanted to enjoy the end as much as possible when I arrived. I'm not claiming to be a nostradouche or a genius. Variations of the story have been done a few times over in other entertainment mediums. Sadly, after a while you've seen enough movies, read enough books, watched enough TV shows, and played enough games that it's very difficult tonotsee the twist coming, not just in Infinite, but in almost every story.

Falstaff · Apr 5, 2013

My initial thoughts on the ending were

That DeWitt and Comstock were related somehow OR the same person, ONLY because of all the people saying how awesome the ending was. I thought of something that was the most outrageous theory and it ended up being true. I still don't understand some people saying they knew what the twist was immediately when they saw the number 77 or other things like that.

Azziane_sl · Apr 5, 2013

@Elizabeth

I've been thinking that Elizabeth's facial expressions/animations were pretty well done. I'm not sure why and they don't even always look very realistic. But that fits with her kinda grotesque (grotesquely hawt) body anyway.

Then I was thinking I should probably stop staring and get on with the game.

Also I would totally bang her absurdly narrow ass.

Cantatus · Apr 5, 2013

Trollface_sl said:
Would we be playing DLC as a separate side game or as part of an existing game path? narrative is too goddamn perfect.

I'll definitely be curious to see what the approach is to the DLC, because there's obviously a lot theycan'tdo due to the constraints of the story. This really doesn't seem to be the type of game that really lends itself to DLC easily. I really can't see having us play Booker in the DLC, and there's really part of me that hopes that's not the case as his story is told and done. Though I'm also hoping they can come up with some DLC that adds to the story rather than having it be a few side adventures in Columbia.

Azziane_sl said:
I've been thinking that Elizabeth's facial expressions/animations were pretty well done. I'm not sure why and they don't even always look very realistic. But that fits with her kinda grotesque (grotesquely hawt) body anyway.

The interesting thing about the way they recorded Elizabeth's lines was they were also recording her facial expressions while she performed them. If you watch some of thebehind-the-scenes videos, you can see Courtnee Draper (Elizabeth's voice actress) wearing a cap with a small camera pointed at her face.

Pyros · Apr 5, 2013

Had 2 main theories when playing the game

First that Comstock and Booker were the same person, especially with the war in Shangai and Wounded Knee stuff. However as the game went on I kinda stopped thinking it was the case. It was an obvious twist though imo. Second was that Songbird was Elizabeth's parent spirit or some sort of shenanigan like that. I wasn't thinking about any direct link to the other Bioshocks at all. I didn't really think about what was going to happen too much though, the game had a solid pace and I finished it in like 2days so I didn't have much time for it, just enjoyed it.

Jait · Apr 5, 2013

Cantatus_sl said:
I'll definitely be curious to see what the approach is to the DLC, because there's obviously a lot theycan'tdo due to the constraints of the story.

I disagree completely. The whole Island system allows them for unlimited DLC's. You simply end up veering from the original path and end up stuck on other Islands on your way through the main plot. There really isn't a lot of narrative in most places that would disallow new paths.

They could also easily do a whole expansion in "that place" you end up at briefly at the end. Assets are already there, you tell Elizabeth "Hey, I want to go see something" and whoosh. Her powers are damped by things there.

Balroc · Apr 5, 2013

not really spoiling anything but to me booker and elizabeth just seemed like precursors to big daddy/little sister relationship. the first time it hit me was when i died and it flashed to her injecting booker with a needle and then lifting him up by his hand. whole thing screamed of booker being/becoming a big daddy.

Cantatus · Apr 5, 2013

Jait_sl said:
I disagree completely. The whole Island system allows them for unlimited DLC's. You simply end up veering from the original path and end up stuck on other Islands on your way through the main plot. There really isn't a lot of narrative in most places that would disallow new paths.

That's possible, I suppose, but I'm really not a fan of DLC that sticks something into the game you already played. The Mass Effect series did this a couple times, and it just always felt to me like something being shoehorned into the game rather than being added meaningfully, particularly in the case of ME3. I felt like I played through the story and enjoyed it, so having Shepard suddenly go off on some unrelated side mission tended to take something away from the story.

And realistically, I'm not sure veering off the original path would work within the context of the story. Based on how many times the Luteces have brought a Booker through this before, I gathered that the path we go on is the only one that accomplishes what needs to be done. Though, I suppose they could always do a DLC where you're Booker #57 and have it be a little self-contained story that results in failing stopping the cycle for whatever reason.

Jait_sl said:
They could also easily do a whole expansion in "that place" you end up at briefly at the end. Assets are already there, you tell Elizabeth "Hey, I want to go see something" and whoosh. Her powers are damped by things there.

I honestly would love to see some DLC that explored the relationship between Columbia and Rapture more fully, but I don't really think it'd make sense for it to be doing it through Booker. There's a certain sense of urgency at the end of the game, so it'd feel out of place for Booker to suddenly be going, "Hey, let's go exploring Rapture!" and not have Elizabeth push him towards the conclusion.

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