Black Panther (2018)

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The movie was good. I really enjoyed it. It was Marvel to the bone. Ok so was this movie worth the hype fuck yeah it was a great CG movie. it was a very good action movie.

this movie is many things: an adventure, a different story, some great comedy, moving the movie and the larger plot down the road towards Avengers IW.

it is not an Oscar movie but it sure as fuck is a summer blockbuster.
 
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People are trying to make this movie way more political than it was IMO, I didn't think it was too much but glad they didn't push it further, 8/10 for me. Just makes me more excited for IW since its now on deck!!
 
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Ok... Wow. I take back my "always give Marvel movies positive reviews" line. I didn't hate it, but it was pretty bad. Like... "The Inhumans". I didn't really see a point for this movie to be made. The story from Civil War was enough. We knew a little about Wakanda. We didn't really "need" anything more than that, and this story didn't do anything to further the brand at all. I didn't want to believe it was full of SJW stuff, but it was extremely heavy handed.

So we learn that Wakanda (Africa) is like Trump in their policies of "Wakada first, fuck everyone else", but then we discover that this is wrong. So wrong. They should be helping EVERYONE (this doesn't become the goal until the last quarter of the movie. We also know that Wakanda has the best Technology in the world because reasons. Ok, they have a very valuable metal and that's why. Even though they NEVER sell this metal and want to keep it all in house, some how the existence of this metal = technology kangz!
It's a movie, so who cares if Africa already is a huge exporter of gold, aluminum, zinc, diamonds, iron... And they've done absolutely nothing to benefit the country as a result of all these exports. They now have Vibranium (for a thousand years) and as a result, Wakanda is the best country. That's my biggest gripe about this entire thing. Having access to a single resource doesn't mean intelligence, inventions and everything else. And it doesn't help your country at all if you don't sell said resource. Oh well.

The movie is a drama (I think?) There is literally zero humor in it. They are very heavy on the African theme in how they do everything. And Wakanda itself, while being a technological miracle, is still a city with dirt ground and everything else. But almost all the buildings and shit are made from metal. Actually, the more I think of it, I actually hated this movie. It was horrible. A HUGE red X over the Marvel Cinematic Universe name. I'm sad now.

Fuck this movie.
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I guess I expected more from the villian then your dad killed my dad..if only we had some impending cosmic struggle to draw upon as a plot device....
 
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The more obvious question I would pose is there is that huge underground vibranium mountain with trains flying around and shit, presumably ALL vibranium items are also created there. Throughout history mankind has always used essentially slaves to provide cheap labor, from egyptian pyramids to serf farmers to african slaves to asian peasants to chinese factory workers today. Sooooo.... who exactly is smelting all that vibranium and creating the weapons, ships, and other factory produced items? Someone is spending 12 hours a day underground in probably poor working conditions.
 
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spronk said:
The more obvious question I would pose is there is that huge underground vibranium mountain with trains flying around and shit, presumably ALL vibranium items are also created there. Throughout history mankind has always used essentially slaves to provide cheap labor, from egyptian pyramids to serf farmers to african slaves to asian peasants to chinese factory workers today. Sooooo.... who exactly is smelting all that vibranium and creating the weapons, ships, and other factory produced items? Someone is spending 12 hours a day underground in probably poor working conditions.
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Robots or white people.
 
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Paranoia said:
The movie was good. I really enjoyed it. It was Marvel to the bone. Ok so was this movie worth the hype fuck yeah it was a great CG movie. it was a very good action movie.

this movie is many things: an adventure, a different story, some great comedy, moving the movie and the larger plot down the road towards Avengers IW.

it is not an Oscar movie but it sure as fuck is a summer blockbuster.
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But was this movie a movie?
 
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Seemed pretty true to the comics - vibranium stores kinetic energy and soaks waves. Unlike gold, diamonds or whatever else might be mined for the accumulation or exploitation of wealth, the metal instead lends itself to application. I don't think this was ever perceived as problematic in Captain America, Daredevil or w/e else it featured in.

As for humor, definitely not comedic but not unlike Doc Strange. And there were a couple of spots that got good reactions from the folks around (biggest probably being the mountain tribe leader interrupting a poignant speech by laughing at Panther and his family). There were some darker moments that you don't see as often in MCU movies, like when Killmonger shows Serkis' dead body with headshot to that tribe to win favor or when he follows through and slits the throat of one of those amazonian types, so it definitely doesn't skew towards comedy as much as we've been used to
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Don't really need to spoiler this but...

His point wasn't that Vibranium was a different kind of metal as you said, one with practical applications, but rather that just because you have a resource like that doesn't mean a shit hole stops being a shit hole and generations of genius level IQ scientists come along with said metal. Simply put having a super metal doesn't mean jack unless you know what to do with the super metal, which it seems in the marvel universe the Wakandan's did.
 
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How did Wokonda keep refugees from flooding their country during the Rwandan Genocide?
 
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spronk said:
The more obvious question I would pose is there is that huge underground vibranium mountain with trains flying around and shit, presumably ALL vibranium items are also created there. Throughout history mankind has always used essentially slaves to provide cheap labor, from egyptian pyramids to serf farmers to african slaves to asian peasants to chinese factory workers today. Sooooo.... who exactly is smelting all that vibranium and creating the weapons, ships, and other factory produced items? Someone is spending 12 hours a day underground in probably poor working conditions.
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I like to picture the Vibranium mines much like the late Roman Republic Silver Mines in Spain. So many dead dindus.
 
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They built a big, beautiful vibranium wall and made the other Africans pay for it.
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So that's why African countries don't have the money to all be Wakanda. Fucking whit..Wakandans!
 
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So that's why African countries don't have the money to all be Wakanda. Fucking whit..Wakandans!
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Just eyeballing here, but at a quick glance all the wealth and development in Wokanda reflects waaay more capital formation and wealth concentration for a mineral-extraction based economy. Which means in centuries past, that capital formation was driven by trade. And in those centuries before vibranium there was only ONE trade that was lucrative enough to produce the capital accumulation we see in modern wokanda: the wokandans MUST have captured, groomed and sold slaves.
 
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Pretty much. Wakanda is an isolationist country in regards to Vibranium. They don't want ANY of it getting to the outside world. That's why it's such a big deal when Klaus steals some of it for use in Age of Ultron. The metal itself is priceless, but they NEVER sell any. So how the fuck is the country wealthy? Simply having x doesn't mean shit if you don't sell it to others. Also, the inside of Wakanda is a bustling city. Many many apartment buildings, so there are a lot of people that live there (presumably). But where are they getting all the food to feed all these people? I don't think a few people running around with two cows is going to do jack shit.
 
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Xarpolis said:
Pretty much. Wakanda is an isolationist country in regards to Vibranium. They don't want ANY of it getting to the outside world. That's why it's such a big deal when Klaus steals some of it for use in Age of Ultron. The metal itself is priceless, but they NEVER sell any. So how the fuck is the country wealthy? Simply having x doesn't mean shit if you don't sell it to others. Also, the inside of Wakanda is a bustling city. Many many apartment buildings, so there are a lot of people that live there (presumably). But where are they getting all the food to feed all these people? I don't think a few people running around with two cows is going to do jack shit.
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Xarpolis said:
Pretty much. Wakanda is an isolationist country in regards to Vibranium. They don't want ANY of it getting to the outside world. That's why it's such a big deal when Klaus steals some of it for use in Age of Ultron. The metal itself is priceless, but they NEVER sell any. So how the fuck is the country wealthy? Simply having x doesn't mean shit if you don't sell it to others. Also, the inside of Wakanda is a bustling city. Many many apartment buildings, so there are a lot of people that live there (presumably). But where are they getting all the food to feed all these people? I don't think a few people running around with two cows is going to do jack shit.
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I dont think Marvel has ever explained this in the comics either, but if you imagine Wakanda in video game sim city terms, its definitely the easiest sandbox mode with mods to make it easier, plus their tech is like 2 centuries ahead of the rest of the world, if not more. In the comics they do have access to other standard African trade commodities as well, like uranium, coal. diamonds, etc. They even have a cure for cancer they don't share (or didn't maybe they do now). It's not hard to imagine they have hydroponics or some other solution at this point. Maybe a vibranium infused carrot will feed you for a month.
 
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Yes, this comic book back story must be fully logical and explainable, like all comic book settings and behavior.
 
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