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One of the biggest issues about the whole illegal immigration thing is that our system benefits them so much, and they teach each other all about it. I work in construction here in NJ, so I run into them all the time (sometimes daily, depending on the site). They outright admit to abusing the system, and mock us citizens for abiding by it. I know because they flat out say it to us.

I'm all for immigration legitimately, it really is pretty awesome to get to know people from around the world who decided to come here (I'm fond of the Polish). The parts of NJ close to NYC tend to change ethnicity (Jersey City has been going from black/hispanic to mostly Chinese/Indian lately), which is always good for us in the trade because we have to make new buildings to house them.

However, illegal immigration brings a wave of parasitism. These people feed off the system, but don't bring too much back. Their income goes outside the country and we lose it because a lot of them get paid off the books. Taxes are a big issue in that regard. They burn the money from the system, but replenish so little of it.

And one thing that needs to be done away with? Children born to illegals in the USA being granted automatic citizenship. That's the one thing I'm adamantly behind.
 
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We just need to decide how firm we want to be on illegal immigration and go from there. We could make it unappealing if we wanted to. But that's not what we do here. We're too worried about world view.
 
Vaclav

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Yep, the oxymorons we leave in such things are a good hunk of the problem. People want simple "one answer" solutions and really any needs to be multifaceted. (i.e. amnesty needs to be coupled with bolstering the border, bolstering the border needs some answer for those already here, etc.)
 
Big Phoenix

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Convo_sl said:
We just need to decide how firm we want to be on illegal immigration and go from there. We could make it unappealing if we wanted to. But that's not what we do here. We're too worried about world view.
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Democrats want votes and Republicans arent in power and want cheap labor. This shit has been a problem since the 1960s, nothing has been done about it other than amnesty them a couple times then turn a blind eye.
 
BrutulTM

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I think that there's more to the issue than wages. Americans don't want to do manual labor anymore. Illegals are doing the farm work, the construction work, the landscaping, anything where you have to use your muscles to do, most Americans will pass on. Not only do they not want to do manual labor, they look down on it. Offer the average teenager $12 an hour to flip burgers at McDonalds or $18 an hour to bust his ass picking apples out in the sun and I think most of them would opt for mickey D's.
 
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BrutulTM_sl said:
I think that there's more to the issue than wages. Americans don't want to do manual labor anymore. Illegals are doing the farm work, the construction work, the landscaping, anything where you have to use your muscles to do, most Americans will pass on. Not only do they not want to do manual labor, they look down on it. Offer the average teenager $12 an hour to flip burgers at McDonalds or $18 an hour to bust his ass picking apples out in the sun and I think most of them would opt for mickey D's.
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I think it has more to do with the fact that farms and pretty separated from cities and makes actually going to work for one a huge pita unless you happen to live right next to it. I mean theres a mcdonalds on every other street corner in this country, not too many farms on the street corners of LA, SF, Chicago, NYC etc.
 
iannis

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Little of both I think.

There is a move away from agricultural work. Both of my grandfathers were raised on farms, both of my grandmothers as well. My mothers brother was actively encouraged not to do that shit, my father picked baccy for one season I think... which grandad used as an object lesson in why he needed to get good grades. I never did that shit as a kid either. It never even came up. I was 18 I think (maybe 17) when I took a legumer job. And I literally did it just for the experience of doing it. The money wasn't horrible, and it kept me in shape. But at 17-18 a young man can make better money for pretty much the same level of physical work slinging boxes at a UPS or Fedex hub.
 
Blakkheim

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Chicago Resident: Obama Will Go Down as Worst President Ever

Chicago residents fed up with President Obama ignoring the black community and placing favor on illegal aliens at the southern border.
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they dont have to keep them all happy, all they have to do is say "at least we aren't repubs"
 
Agraza

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All the more reason for run-off elections and more political parties. The two party system does not represent the disparate views of the people.

I want my atheist party so that atheism has an on-record impact on elections, but I don't expect to get an atheist representative a seat any time soon. I just want official recognition that there is a segment of the population that doesn't appreciate abrahamic bullshit and will vote against it when capable. But I don't get that choice. All our representatives pray in public to reassure the masses that they're godly.
 
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The point was entertainment. Its fun watching the dems trying to keep all these disparate groups happy under the same plantation.
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They make a good point though. Asking for 3.7 billion dollars from Congress when the country has existing Federal Law and has long known about the abuse of the system by many of these illegals is appalling to me at this point. I know President Obama isn't the only President to let this happen as it has been taking place for a long time now, however, with the current state of the economy this situation is much more a spotlight and securing our Southern Border should be a priority for both National Defense purposes and also to stem the flow of monies lost to support these people.

The country has a massive unemployment rate, and these inner cities are in horrible shape so asking for such a massive amount of money to facilitate and (in many cases) care for these people is a slap in the face to those American citizens that both live in those communities and those trying to find work.
 
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Generol_sl said:
They make a good point though. Asking for 370 billion dollars from Congress when the country has existing Federal Law and has long known about the abuse of the system by many of these illegals is appalling to me at this point.
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By 370 billion did you mean 3.7 billion?

Generol_sl said:
I know President Obama isn't the only President to let this happen as it has been taking place for a long time now, however, with the current state of the economy this situation is much more a spotlight and securing our Southern Border should be a priority for both National Defense purposes and also to stem the flow of monies lost to support these people.
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By current state of the economy did you mean stock market all time high, nearly full steam post-recovery roaring?

Generol_sl said:
The country has a massive unemployment rate, and these inner cities are in horrible shape so asking for such a massive amount of money to facilitate and (in many cases) care for these people is a slap in the face to those American citizens that both live in those communities and those trying to find work.
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By massive unemployment rate do you mean like 6%, or full employment?
 
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Scratch_sl said:
By 370 billion did you mean 3.7 billion?



By current state of the economy did you mean stock market all time high, nearly full steam post-recovery roaring?



By massive unemployment rate do you mean like 6%, or full employment?
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Yes, no, full and thank you for pointing out the 370 billion error.
 
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Generol_sl said:
Yes, no, full and thank you for pointing out the 370 billion error.
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Great just to clarify; Obama asked for a tiny amount of money to fix a big problem, with the stock market at all time high, and unemployment the lowest its been in 8 years.
 
Vaclav

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Full employment has never happened in our nations history when it comes to UE-3 that they use for the "official number" - much less UE-6 that many people prefer to use. (The "real unemployment is 11%" or whatever types are quoting UE-6)

And if you're not referencing the benefits of the current economy when you're slandering it, then what are you trying to reference - just a "No" isn't an appropriate rebuttal. Either retract it, or clarify your meaning.

And for funding the process - if something hasn't been operating properly because it's underfunded which immigration enforcement has been long listed as underperforming because it's underfunded by the Right for years now - why exactly is it appalling that we'd get the funding for it set to an appropriate level?
 
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Vaclav_sl said:
Full employment has never happened in our nations history when it comes to UE-3 that they use for the "official number" - much less UE-6 that many people prefer to use. (The "real unemployment is 11%" or whatever types are quoting UE-6)

And if you're not referencing the benefits of the current economy when you're slandering it, then what are you trying to reference - just a "No" isn't an appropriate rebuttal. Either retract it, or clarify your meaning.

And for funding the process - if something hasn't been operating properly because it's underfunded which immigration enforcement has been long listed as underperforming because it's underfunded by the Right for years now - why exactly is it appalling that we'd get the funding for it set to an appropriate level?
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I would have thought you had learned your lesson by now but apparently you truly are the worthless flemwad that nearly everyone seems to believe you are. Don't you have a make believe store to open? Actually don't answer that as I really don't want to hear your excuses, hear about your make believe contacts, hear about your make believe condition or hear about your sad existence and depression.

Vaclav: And on my own life, it does mostly suck -I'm generally unhappy, part of why I try to make the world a better place rather than focusing on my own life and health problems I can do little for.
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