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Phoenix has some of the worst drivers fucking period. Drinking and driving is common as fuck by everyone around here. For fucks sake I never knew liquor stores with drive thrus was a thing till I moved out here.
Yeah it's really bad and use to be much worse before they upped the penalties 10+ years ago. Problem with the illegals is they don't have insurance.
 

Palum

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Sounds like we should have a Phoenix RR party. But better drive home at separate times and directions so at least one of us survives.
 

Convo

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Must not be in Caly - we give our illegals driver's licenses. Stupid, but true.

Hey Convo, should we talk about how hospitals on the border have been closing the last decade because of the care they are forced to give illegals, and how the fucking Feds of all people won't take them into custody until *after* they get treated, so that they aren't responsible for the bills?
Wasn't it like a billion dollars in tax payer money a year? How can anyone defend that lol
 

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Bad news on the "getting a job" changing that - when I open the shop I'll probably still browse the net during slow times being that I'm planning to have a small LAN setup in there as well. (Doing a tabletop gaming/RPG/hobby location - and going to toss a video gaming/PC gaming lounge in with it assuming I don't run dry on funds to supply it from what I've got set aside, it is the first cut I'll make if I end up short though)
bro make an 'adventures with vaclav and opening up a hobby shop' thread about your journey!
 

OneofOne

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For once, Tuco has a good idea. Do it Vaclav - the other two have dropped out of their respective threads.
 

OneofOne

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Ok, you've had several good ideas, and several bad ones. This is a good one. Better?
 

Vaclav

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bro make an 'adventures with vaclav and opening up a hobby shop' thread about your journey!
Nah, I'd probably either spam about it constantly or just start it and leave it defunct pretty quickly. However, I might mention it to my partner that's going to do the social networking marketing stuff for it as a possibility - maybe he will. (He's not a forum member yet to my knowledge though)
 

Generol_sl

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Wasn't it like a billion dollars in tax payer money a year? How can anyone defend that lol
I've been looking for more recent primary source material but here is an article (series of three) from 2005. During that year, Los Angeles County, alone, paid 340 million dollars toward the uninsured. Obviously there were non illegals who were uninsured so the numbers are not exact but the county also reported that there were 2 million illegal aliens (9 years ago..) within said county during that year. Also the Department of Health reported a 1.2 billion dollar deficit based on "caring for illegals" during the same year.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/03...al-immigrants/

My prior link was from Fox and now here is one from one of the most liberal news agencies in the country (2009):

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/he...anted=all&_r=0

Here is a more moderate news agency which, typically, acts as a financial organization and simply reports the numbers. It coincides with Convo's assertion and the numbers (as of 2013) according to the National Research Council claim "the migration of these individuals into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually".

http://www.moneynews.com/NealAsbury/.../09/id/503579/

If you consider the above healthcare costs and add with it the cost of education (ie: the addition of classes nationwide called "English as a second language", etc) that has drastically changed over the past decade or so we're looking at a major loss per year on the care of them. If we look at this from a simple business perspective (ie: Gain vs Loss - Risk vs Reward) it is extremely obvious that the country is losing much more than it is gaining in these instances.

I am a Kaiser member out here in CA and here is a report directly from them last year:
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stor...ency-care.aspx

Apparently some hospitals are starting to take matters into their own hands, deporting the illegal, and bypassing the justice system all together. This is the first time I have heard of anything like this before but I found it to be an interesting read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3139272.html

This article was posted today and is legally accurate while also coinciding with the recent request to Congress for 3.7 Billion dollars which, apparently, some think is magically generated money. To the lifelong tax and societal burden this will be a non issue and they will get behind it to keep the status-quo and continue their free lunch & life programs but for the established tax payer, college students who will soon be looking for employment and, most of all, those who are just starting their life and attempting to establish themselves, this will be difficult to downright devastating in some cases:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/11...al-immigrants/

To be fair and offset the above article, here is an article from CNN making claim that this isn't a border surge or politically motivated issue at all but rather a "humanitarian issue". This article fails to mention the amount of monies that the states send to these countries each year and I also have to logically question some aspects of this issue at large but in this specific case I will need to do more research before I can give a definitive reasoning.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/03/opinio...tml?hpt=ju_mid

This article was released today and while not a primary source I found it to be an interesting read in terms of the "moral crisis" of the issue and the extreme divisions currently in the states between the vast majority and the special interest groups:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...r-davis-hanson

Finally, this short article is absolutely loaded with sources and citations and I found it to be an interesting read about the cost, loss, and consequences of illegal aliens. Also consider another issue to come from this and that is job loss. If 60 California hospitals closed due to this from 1993 to 2003, how many people lost their jobs as yet another consequence? Obviously the medical staff would be able to find work elsewhere (speculation) but hospitals don't just have medical staffs and this also doesn't add the impact it has on the lives of the American citizens who lose work, must find new work, must move, and what about the unseen intangibles that rise up for people? Point being, these issues are directly impacting the American people and regardless of your political stance it should be an obvious and non debatable fact:

http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf
 

Vaclav

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The hospitals deporting people thing has been happening for YEARS now, FYI. Might be the first you've heard of it, but been in the media since 2008 if not earlier than that. (Edit: Link -Immigrants Facing Deportation by U.S. Hospitals - Series - NYTimes.com)

Not going through everything there don't feel like bothering - read the last link though because of interest in such things, he does abbreviate one mitigating factor that I'm aware of though - Fed does pay unrecovered bills for hospitals (part of why hospitals are so restricted in who they can send to collections and such) - and I don't think there's any rules about evidencing who they treated. (After all, if you pull someone out of a fire with no ID and treat him then he dies from the injuries after spending $200k trying to save him they want to get reimbursed for that too)

Knowing that reimbursement thing exists I'm curious of why it wasn't mentioned - is it not enough of a ratio to counteract the losses? Or is it omitted because of bias in the article?
 

BoldW

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This would a great time to make Scarface2 : Tonys little friend, starring Peter dinklage
 

Loser Araysar

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Bad news on the "getting a job" changing that - when I open the shop I'll probably still browse the net during slow times being that I'm planning to have a small LAN setup in there as well. (Doing a tabletop gaming/RPG/hobby location - and going to toss a video gaming/PC gaming lounge in with it assuming I don't run dry on funds to supply it from what I've got set aside, it is the first cut I'll make if I end up short though)
Well that just sounds like the gayest thing that someone could invest money into, other than Gaymart.

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Vaclav

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EXCLUSIVE: TSA Allowing Illegals to Fly Without Verifiable ID, Says Border Patrol Union

Hope there aren't any Al-Quaeda or ISIS walking across our southern border right now and getting on planes with no ID, oh wait we'll never know until a plane disappears.
TSA regulations for such has been relaxed for a bit now for whites at the very least - I'm incredibly white and have a history of being a Catholic. But when I forgot my wallet back in 2010 or so I was allowed to board a plane at BWI by showing my boarding pass I printed at home with my name, telling them my SSN, and answering a pop quiz about facts associated with my SSN. (Place of Birth, mother's BDay, mother's maiden - stuff like that)

And none of that stuff was verifiable as anything other than me memorizing stuff.
 

Convo

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TSA regulations for such has been relaxed for a bit now for whites at the very least - I'm incredibly white and have a history of being a Catholic. But when I forgot my wallet back in 2010 or so I was allowed to board a plane at BWI by showing my boarding pass I printed at home with my name, telling them my SSN, and answering a pop quiz about facts associated with my SSN. (Place of Birth, mother's BDay, mother's maiden - stuff like that)

And none of that stuff was verifiable as anything other than me memorizing stuff.
Did they have your photo in one of their systems? They wouldn't tell you that but I know you can pull a passport photo. Not sure if they have access to that system. Either way, they wouldn't be allowed to tell you what they were looking at.

But I find these kind of comments funny. When TSA were being harsh dicks to people, they were getting hammered with complaints. If they would have told you to beat it, you'd probably cause some kind of rage scene and write your congressman. Like a lot of people do.
 

Vaclav

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Did they have your photo in one of their systems? They wouldn't tell you that but I know you can pull a passport photo. Not sure if they have access to that system. Either way, they wouldn't be allowed to tell you what they were looking at.

But I find these kind of comments funny. When TSA were being harsh dicks to people, they were getting hammered with complaints. If they would have told you to beat it, you'd probably cause some kind of rage scene and write your congressman. Like a lot of people do.
I had literally just gotten my passport renewed like three months before (was heading to my parents 50th anniversary cruise) - hadn't thought about that, does make it a little less hinky feeling when they did allow it that way. (I know I'M not a terrorist and I know the odds of terrorists in generally are extremely low but still if you're going to do it...)

It's possible they also went through my luggage quickly to find my ID too I guess - because I'd packed my wallet, it wasn't left completely offsite.
 

Convo

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I had literally just gotten my passport renewed like three months before (was heading to my parents 50th anniversary cruise) - hadn't thought about that, does make it a little less hinky feeling when they did allow it that way. (I know I'M not a terrorist and I know the odds of terrorists in generally are extremely low but still if you're going to do it...)

It's possible they also went through my luggage quickly to find my ID too I guess - because I'd packed my wallet, it wasn't left completely offsite.
No system is perfect, I'm not saying fully trust in what security measures we have, but don't assume ignorance either. It's not a race thing, I know people like to assume it's always about race, but there is typically other determining factors. When you do a job like that, seeing 1000s of people all day, everyday. Talking to them and just learning the general public, people become sheep. In time, the black sheep tend to stand out more.
 

Vaclav

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I didn't assume ignorance, just relaxed standards. And even then really didn't think of it till later when the "FastPass" TSA program started (might be messing up the name slightly) years later.
 

Convo

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There is definitely a lax. Lot's of automated systems coming online in regards to making traveling faster for people. We'll see what happens down the line, but it's definitely getting back to business as usual and the airlines have a huge say in it all. Their motives are money first.