Border Issue
- Thread starter Generol_sl
- Start date
-
Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
So you're one of those people that believe that you can get most public resources without a SSN? How cute.
Besides education for the children, you can get almost none without a SSN. And can't get a SSN without citizenship.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
So you don't read articles I take it? Because that's the more severe (not that chickenpox is too bad) of the two options they label it as potentially.
As for most of those pictures you provided, you do realize the majority of those pictures are OF THE BUILDING YOU GO THROUGH IF YOU'RE TRYING TO APPLY FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION, right?
Those aren't people that were caught sneaking through, those are people waiting to apply legitimately. Even if you can't make out the small signs (which I barely can), just look at the signs saying where people are from and such. You know why those are there? It's not because we ship them back home from there... it's because we have quotas per nation they're coming from that we allow to apply.
Do you seriously think we use standard municipal buildings that are built like the shoddiest YMCA you've seen versus actual jail cells while we're holding them? "Just stay in that unlocked, unguarded room with windows while we get to you - don't run" seems like a great system there for someone that already evaded a border patrol.
BrutulTM
Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun.
- 14,762
- 2,644
Sort of, but a lot of illegals have SSNs. Some of them even have taxes withheld by their employers. It may not be their SSN, but they have it.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
That's technically two different things. Some employers require you to fill in a SSN for employment because they won't pay you under the table, so in those cases, they (the worker or the employer) generally just fake a SSN. Unless things have changed since I retired in 2007, SSN wasn't a required piece of ID for the I-9 paperwork even though it asks you for your SSN on the forms. So you could theoretically show two/three pieces of ID and then just jot down random numbers off your head spontaneously. [Although I will say as an HR professional, I can count the number of people that were citizens that didn't use a SSN as one of them on a hand in over a decade of hiring - three for three on the immigrant workers I dealt with though did not however]
You actually need to provide an actual card for receiving benefits - while there no doubt is SOME NUMBER with falsely acquired SSNs - all I can see for documentation of it is the "paying taxes on a bad SSN" stuff, which as stated above, isn't entirely a clear picture since you can pay taxes on a SSN without evidencing that SSN is actually yours.
They are a big issue in Europe. You know something else to consider is that it really is only the currently/former white majority countries that are getting these large influxes. Asia needs to step up if the world is going to devolve into one big humanitarian situation because there is no way in hell America and Europe can handle the financial burdens that are going to come from this if it continues on the current trend.
I often deal with Hong Kong (daily actually) and, for those of you who haven't been there let me tell you, you don't see minorities or any minority issues. I have absolutely no problem (at all) with legal immigration but the current tactic of bumrushing the border because they know our laws (better than many Americans) needs to cease. If they go through the process, become tax paying Americans, can integrate well, can pass an extensive (and I do mean extensive) criminal background check and are not carriers of any infectious diseases, I have no issue with it. However, when comparing Ellis Island to today's standards and the typical non enforcement of existing federal law I become irritated beyond belief. Especially when I know how much I have to pay yearly in taxes.
As it stands I wouldn't be surprised by anything. There has been so much misinformation, political maneuvering, and no transparency of the statistics from Washington that who the hell actually knows what to believe. At this point I don't believe a single word any politician says and I feel justified in my stance in thinking that way.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
Implying it's an easy process and that we would accept even a fraction of the number is a fallacy.
Not to mention over 75% of immigrants from the South come here with some sort of legal means in the first place, only 25% are doing "border rushing" type nonsense. However of that 75% about 40% overstay work visas and the like however.
Do you know what the process was back in the days of Ellis Island? I'll give you a hint, it was a lot damn less - I've got (all deceased now, although the last just recently) grandparents on both sides in my family and the wive's family that all came through Ellis Island, you know how long the process was for legal immigration back then? "Give a name, wait around 2 hrs" is about the summation they gave of the process back in the 20-40's when each respective family came over.
Now the hoops are getting higher and higher - which makes sense, but laughing it off as if Ellis Island was strict is incredibly naive and completely ignorant of the facts of how Ellis Island was handled in it's heyday (post WWI).
Hell, pre-WWI we really didn't even have ANY immigration law at all.
Not to mention over 75% of immigrants from the South come here with some sort of legal means in the first place, only 25% are doing "border rushing" type nonsense. However of that 75% about 40% overstay work visas and the like however.
Do you know what the process was back in the days of Ellis Island? I'll give you a hint, it was a lot damn less - I've got (all deceased now, although the last just recently) grandparents on both sides in my family and the wive's family that all came through Ellis Island, you know how long the process was for legal immigration back then? "Give a name, wait around 2 hrs" is about the summation they gave of the process back in the 20-40's when each respective family came over.
Now the hoops are getting higher and higher - which makes sense, but laughing it off as if Ellis Island was strict is incredibly naive and completely ignorant of the facts of how Ellis Island was handled in it's heyday (post WWI).
Hell, pre-WWI we really didn't even have ANY immigration law at all.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
No what this shows is you already made a judgment, based on non-facts so you use whatever information you see that you think even remotely supports you argument as fact.
It's an Echo Chamber effect. The information is pretty clearly available and "transparent" if you care to actually look at it.
Serious question but what is your ancestry? I ask because I have a feeling the "process" differed quite dramatically at Ellis depending on that factor. To my understand they broke those disqualified into two categories with one even being an epileptic. This actually raises a good question and I am going to research this because I actually would like to get some primary source material as I don't know the exacts.
B_Mizzle
Avatar of War Slayer
- 7,961
- 15,963
Houston black woman goes on EPIC rant about unaccompanied illegals The Right Scoop -
It's only racist if a person of European descent says it.
It's only racist if a person of European descent says it.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
European Mutt (German/Italian/Nordic I know for sure are amongst the parts), Polish/Czech, German Jew and Russian Jew for all four grandparents. European Mutt came over with a sister with obvious genetic physical deformities which includes neurological dysfunction/seizures.
And the only way the process varied was when quotas were hit, which from WWI until we retracted from the world as WWII was brewing was rescinded. And even into WWII was still rather high. It's not really even something hard to research, visit Ellis Island and the materials are there, or many of the museums in Washington.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
Wouldn't be racist phrased that way by anyone - it's classist or nationalist. There's lots of bad -isms and while it's not racism she's using, it's definitely another bad one.
[And of course her understanding of finances is obviously terrible - shipping them to South America versus holding them here temporarily is a drastic difference in cost, since she seems cost concerned - boats ain't cheap and most other options are even more costly - plus land ones you have to worry about them getting back off if you don't have enough guards each (guards that require a paycheck) - plus actually making sure they're going back to the right nation rather than playing hot potatoe with them costs money to research, etc.]
No it doesn't show that. It shows that I don't trust any currently elected officials based on constant bickering and politics with not much getting accomplished and I don't think I am alone on that. If I had made a judgment I would say that I did but I am more than willing to see what will happen as I am not out there protesting or making an asshat of myself. I simply want results with little to know bologna as the country has had too much of that in recent years. If something was offered that put the issue to rest than I wouldn't have an issue but as it stands I have seen too many issues taking place and not enough getting done for the betterment of the nation and that would cause anyone to lose trust with the current politicians in my view.
Further, the information is most certainly not available as even the White House spokesperson has contradicted himself on several occasions. Three days ago he stated that the "majority" of the children will be sent home where as four days before that:
Q About 80 to 85 percent, according to the figures given by the DHS, of those children are, in fact, staying in the United States and staying with either family or foster homes, and they're not staying in facilities because they're not allowed to by law. Are you trying to change this law itself? Are you going to ask Congress to change this law that was passed in 2008?
MR. EARNEST: Well, in terms of that specific legal request, I'd refer you DHS. What we are trying to do is to confront a very specific problem, which is the large number of children that have appeared on the southwest border unaccompanied by any adults, who are vulnerable to human trafficking and other criminal elements, and making sure that their humanitarian needs are met.
I personally don't think I, or anyone else for that matter, is incorrect in having a non trusting view toward the politics and overall leadership that is currently in seat. However, we can agree to disagree as I obviously feel this is a larger issue than you do and going in circles would be a waste of time for the both of us.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
Yes, Prisonplanet.com and Alex Jones are more popular than ever because of idiots like you that think everything is some great conspiracy.
And obviously with that "gotcha" statement you want to point out he was referring to unattended children when you put A and B together. Or if he had made a lengthy statement on it it probably would've been "Of those that don't have a legal means to be here, the majority will be sent home". (Not to mention in your "second quote of his" he wasn't quoting the 80-85% figure the questioner was - thus the Q - he never acknowledged the 80-85% as correct.... based on your reasoning if someone asked him "Why are we keeping ET from the movie in Area 51 away from the public?" it would become fact regardless of his answer.... good times...)
When people are terse rather than verbose things can easily be mistaken because of assumptions that are being made on either or both sides. But when you see black helicopters everywhere you go hypothetically (or literally in your case, per your first post - LOL) of course everything will be taken in the absolute worst possible light.
People like you are a solid example of why 24H news of all varieties is a cancer.
And obviously with that "gotcha" statement you want to point out he was referring to unattended children when you put A and B together. Or if he had made a lengthy statement on it it probably would've been "Of those that don't have a legal means to be here, the majority will be sent home". (Not to mention in your "second quote of his" he wasn't quoting the 80-85% figure the questioner was - thus the Q - he never acknowledged the 80-85% as correct.... based on your reasoning if someone asked him "Why are we keeping ET from the movie in Area 51 away from the public?" it would become fact regardless of his answer.... good times...)
When people are terse rather than verbose things can easily be mistaken because of assumptions that are being made on either or both sides. But when you see black helicopters everywhere you go hypothetically (or literally in your case, per your first post - LOL) of course everything will be taken in the absolute worst possible light.
People like you are a solid example of why 24H news of all varieties is a cancer.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
And if you're not making a judgment and are willing to let things resolve - then why are you bitching here right now, barely weeks into the situation when it's a multifaceted problem that's happening because of a crisis situation is South America with people flooding here because of their media falsely making claims that we are giving amnesty to anyone running from those areas.
As far as we know if we start getting the word out down there that their media has been misleading them this entire problem dries up in a few weeks. (Not saying for sure it would or would not - but it might since misinformation is helping fuel the issue)
As far as we know if we start getting the word out down there that their media has been misleading them this entire problem dries up in a few weeks. (Not saying for sure it would or would not - but it might since misinformation is helping fuel the issue)
So you are calling me a conspiracy theorist, believe I am an Alex Jones viewer, call me an idiot for not agreeing with your non supported stance while forming my own opinion based on my own reasoning, experience, and deduction, and yet, you also claim that the media isfalselymaking claims that we are giving amnesty thus insinuating a large conspiracy by the media?
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
You think the media in South America is the same as the media here? You're a fucking bright one, aren't you?
Do you think the people in South America just go an flip on US CNN/MSNBC/FoxNews or pick up the Washington Post or listen to Rush Limbaugh on the radio? There's a huge difference in OUR media and THEIR media.
You literally are the stupidest poster I've seen in quite a while. Talk about missing the forest through the trees - yea, I didn't specify THEIR media earlier - but it should've been a given considering it's a pretty long trip to plan out and then be like "OH HEY GUYS, I JUST HEARD GOOD NEWS IT WASN'T STUPID FOR US TO TAKE THIS THOUSAND MILE TRIP AFTER ALL!" (or the Spanish/Portuguese version at least)
And that's not "conspiracy theory" that they're saying that - it's accepted fact enough that FactCheck.org and other places are stating it with citations.Misassigning Blame for Immigration Crisis
[Had to edit a maybe it's Mexico's media part - apparently the rumor sources are known to be elsewhere on rereading the link above]
Uh huh....
You seem like you are quickly losing your cool and becoming angry. I am starting to feel bad for you at this point watching you crumble so quickly.