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haus_sl said:
I'm just hoping this will wake congress up enough that they can pass some serious bomb control legislation so this doesn't happen again. Maybe we should also post "Bomb free zone" signs around the Marathon next year?
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Yeah, I think we seriously need to have a national discussion about banning cell phones and any short range communication devices like remote car starters, two way radios, etc. And probably even digital clocks/watches too. I mean think of how many lives we could save if we as a nation give these up. The violence has to stop. If a person is unwilling to give up their right to have a cell phone, or a car starter, then they are just a greedy asshole, and probably a murderer just planning on killing people with their devices anyways.

All serious though, they blocked cell phones in Boston after the attack, so I am assuming they were cell phone detonated? If they were, be prepared for the knee-jerk reaction of phone jammers EVERYWHERE now. Pretty much every event/plane/train/subway/govt building/public area is probably going to have these in the near future.
 
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Glad to see this is already turning into the political thread.
 
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Famm_sl said:
No jackass, war has always been armed conflict between the forces of two nations. Not an isolated act(s) of violence aimed to create paranoia and unease in an otherwise peaceful civilian populace. War is about resource control generally, including land or territory, not political objectives.
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The definition says systematic, not isolated

Sorry, brah.

Also, war is totally about political objectives, what are you smoking???
 
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Famm_sl said:
Which is why this seems likely to be terrorism. Its too well planned out and executed. A random crazy would probably go on a shooting spree like we've seen so many times before, and/or be there after the explosions to kill some more.

Once again, its possible this had no further motive or ideological backing, but the type of incident would seem to point more to a terrorist event.
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sure. but if start calling every event terrorism and spouting off perpetuating global terror... That is exactly what the real terrorists want, and destabilizes social stucture.

The term should be reserved until confirmation. Not used to intentionally drum up fear and ratings.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
The definition says systematic, not isolated

Sorry, brah.

Also, war is totally about political objectives, what are you smoking???
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Sure it is, keep believing that. And you're the one talking about 10k years prior to 1870, which makes it even harder not to call it about resources, territory, land. You can make a case for politics more in the modern age, but there's always another side that is more practical, even if its just the military industrial complex machine.

And yeah, systematic. Random dude shooting up school with little rhyme or reason isn't systematic or terrorism. Bombs in strategic locations detonated at specific and meaningful time, that's systematic. Its also isolated because they didn't hit every marathon this year, they probably won't even strike again any time soon, who ever they were. Isolated and systematic aren't mutually exclusive.

Not to mention you ignore that war is most certainly armed conflict between the forces of nations, and terrorism is absolutely not. So fuck off, war doesn't fall under that Webster's terrorism definition.
 
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speaking of hating people ...

Westboro Baptist Church Plans To Picket Funerals Of Boston Marathon Victims
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See, these are the people who need to be bombed, not the marathon runners.

Jeez terrorists, figure it out.

We wouldn't even mind if you bombed Westboro, honest.
 
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sure. but if start calling every event terrorism and spouting off perpetuating global terror... That is exactly what the real terrorists want, and destabilizes social stucture.

The term should be reserved until confirmation. Not used to intentionally drum up fear and ratings.
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Who gives a fuck. People are rightly freaked out by the increasing frequency of random acts of public violence and well they should be. Once we have the details on this, it won't matter that the media is throwing around the T word. People have short attention spans, if this was something unlike the Taliban or Tim McVeigh in nature, everyone will forget the terrorism allegations and focus on the news right now.

It looks like terrorism anyway so why not speculate?
 
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bro, the definition of "terrorism" is the definition of "war"

That why I pointed out a few pages back that the term is basically meaningless now because its so broad.

war, mass shootings, school shootings, car bombs, trash bombs, mail bombs, beltway snipers, everything can be defined as a terrorism act based on what purpose one is trying to achieve. its a word that has no real meaning anymore and is just used to manipulate people on an emotional level.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
everything can be defined as a terrorism act based on what purpose one is trying to achieve. its a word that has no real meaning anymore and is just used to manipulate people on an emotional level.
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You just simultaneously described how it has a specific definition and then declared it to be a word without a meaning. It has exactly the meaning it has always had, you don't seem to want to accept how commonly it occurs.
 
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Famm_sl said:
You just simultaneously described how it has a specific definition and then declared it to be a word without a meaning. It has exactly the meaning it has always had, you don't seem to want to accept how commonly it occurs.
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no such thing happened.
 
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I guess it is possible that this was just some crazy that wanted to kill people like a school shooter. It's interesting that we don't really call mass shooters terrorists but when it's a bomb we always assume that there is some sort of political motivation. At this point though, someone needs to take credit for it if there is going to be any political effect.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
bro, the definition of "terrorism" is the definition of "war"

That why I pointed out a few pages back that the term is basically meaningless now because its so broad.

war, mass shootings, school shootings, car bombs, trash bombs, mail bombs, beltway snipers, everything can be defined as a terrorism act based on what purpose one is trying to achieve. its a word that has no real meaning anymore and is just used to manipulate people on an emotional level.
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Pretty soon everything is going to be "terrorism". Just like if you take a piss in an alley, you are now a "sex offender". The whole sex offender term was abused and lost it's original intent too because of this.

Some asshole pissed you off and you punched him in the face? Terrorism, you terrorized his face and caused him emotional terror. Graffiti'd the side of a building? Terrorism, because you terrorized the property owner. Say goodbye to your Miranda rights and right to a fair trial. Trolled or flamed someone on the internets? Terrorism, you caused him emotional hardship also. Downloaded some bit torrents from a website whose servers do other shady things like hack? Accessory to Terrorism. Your clicks ad-funded their terrorist activities. Now they can Patriot Act your ass and lock you away and throw away the key without ever having a hearing. The definition of "Terrorism" is an ever moving line towards broadness, that will never be drawn a boundry.
 
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Famm_sl said:
Who gives a fuck. People are rightly freaked out by the increasing frequency of random acts of public violence and well they should be.
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Random acts of public violence has not been increasing. Coverage has.
 
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this whole thing is depressing as fuck. am I a shitty person for hoping this is domestic? I am pretty tired of being 'at war' with shadowy psycho religious right fucksticks who mix in with with regular stone age brown people. I grew up thinking I was gonna die in a nuclear war, I was ok with that. this whole fear-mongering-till-they-dissolve-all-your-constitutional-rights world isn't what i signed up for.
 
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