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BurnemWizfyre_sl said:
You seem to have this backwards, elected officials in the republican party have called for him to be treated like an enemy combatant and not treated like the US citizen he is. There has been no authorization of this request to be granted, if it is granted it will be Obama's call and if he does agree with the republicans on this then he can go fuck himself. As far as the miranda rights go there is good reason for this or at least appears to be good reasons in that we need to know if he was part of a bigger cell etc etc etc.

This isn't one of your normal conversations on this board, you can't put words into Obama's mouth and then argue he has made these actions when it's clearly not the case.
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I didn't put words in his mouth did I? I said his administration is stating it so far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Ortiz

^-- this is the person whois the current United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts. In 2009, she was nominated to the position by President Barack Obama.

She said: "There is a public safety exemption in cases of national security and for acts of terrorism," U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz told reporters Friday night.

NOW that this is established does that mean this is what is happening? Does this mean Obama has mandated it? Does this mean that it is the right method?

No to all of the above. Like I said, right now the Obama administration is making the calls and the Republicans are agreeing with it for all the wrong reasons.

A few of us see it for the non issue it is.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
She said: "There is a public safety exemption in cases of national security and for acts of terrorism," U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz told reporters Friday night.
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Is this referring to miranda or in general though? And doesn't the city/county of Boston have criminal jurisdiction over the guy?
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
I didn't put words in his mouth did I? I said his administration is stating it so far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Ortiz

^-- this is the person whois the current United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts. In 2009, she was nominated to the position by President Barack Obama.

She said: "There is a public safety exemption in cases of national security and for acts of terrorism," U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz told reporters Friday night.

NOW that this is established does that mean this is what is happening? Does this mean Obama has mandated it? Does this mean that it is the right method?

No to all of the above. Like I said, right now the Obama administration is making the calls and the Republicans are agreeing with it for all the wrong reasons.

A few of us see it for the non issue it is.
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For the Miranda issue, republicans are calling to treat him as an enemy combatant and not a damn thing has been said by the Obama administration in regards to treating him like an enemy combatant. It's not the same fucking thing and you know this and agree with it, you are trying to play the Glen Beck "I'm just asking questions" spiel.

Citation needed to link the Obama administration to agreeing with the republicans to treat him as an enemy combatant.
 
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BurnemWizfyre_sl said:
For the Miranda issue, republicans are calling to treat him as an enemy combatant and not a damn thing has been said by the Obama administration in regards to treating him like an enemy combatant. It's not the same fucking thing and you know this and agree with it, you are trying to play the Glen Beck "I'm just asking questions" spiel.

Citation needed to link the Obama administration to agreeing with the republicans to treat him as an enemy combatant.
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Point out where I said anything about enemy combatant at all. I am merely talking about Miranda, due process, and the like. I have not once, nor would I ever say that the Obama administration would be pushing for that.

I said the Republicans are agreeing with all of the suspension of due process etc. for the WRONG reasons, they are agreeing with it because they want him labeled an enemy combatant when the administration just wants to take a day or two and get their ducks in a row and figure out what the best way forward is like intelligent people.

A few of us see it for the non issue it is.
 
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BurnemWizfyre_sl said:
For the Miranda issue, republicans are calling to treat him as an enemy combatant and not a damn thing has been said by the Obama administration in regards to treating him like an enemy combatant. It's not the same fucking thing and you know this and agree with it, you are trying to play the Glen Beck "I'm just asking questions" spiel.

Citation needed to link the Obama administration to agreeing with the republicans to treat him as an enemy combatant.
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On 27 October 2008 Leon( US District Court Judge Richard J. Leon ) ruled that the definition of "enemy combatant" he would use was that set forth in the 2004 rules for Combatant Status Review Tribunals
? ?Enemy combatant? shall mean an individual who was part of or supporting Taliban or al Qaeda forces, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. This includes any person who has committed belligerent act or has directly supported hostilities in aid of enemy combat forces.?
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However,
On March 13, 2009 United States Attorney General Eric Holder issued a statement that the United States had abandoned the Bush administration term "enemy combatant"
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So it will be interesting to see what the administration says about this.
 
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You need to make yourself a whole lot clearer then because republican officials made request to treat the man as an enemy combatant and you kept saying they agreed with them over and over. Try making the distinction earlier in the argument instead of when you are backed into a corner.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
In general, meaning Miranda, charges, interrogation, etc.
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Everything else she's saying seems to point to this thing going to trial, not some war time tribunal. She is a prosecuting attorney after all. So I'm calling bullshit on your claim that she's referring to anything other than the miranda, and no other part of due process and prosecution. Its obvious that there were immediate factors of public safety, officer safety and the suspect's injuries that precluded miranda and there is solid precedent for skipping it. That's all she's saying, nothing about him being an enemy combatant or how he's to be charged/tried.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-the-right-one
 
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BurnemWizfyre_sl said:
You need to make yourself a whole lot clearer then because republican officials made request to treat the man as an enemy combatant and you kept saying they agreed with them over and over. Try making the distinction earlier in the argument instead of when you are backed into a corner.
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Trust me, there is no backing into a corner from you. It was very clear when I said they agreed FOR THE WRONG REASONS. I am guessing you came in on page 49 without having read the last few pages.
 
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Famm_sl said:
Everything else she's saying seems to point to this thing going to trial, not some war time tribunal. She is a prosecuting attorney after all. So I'm calling bullshit on your claim that she's referring to anything other than the miranda, and no other part of due process and prosecution. Its obvious that there were immediate factors of public safety, officer safety and the suspect's injuries that precluded miranda and there is solid precedent for skipping it. That's all she's saying, nothing about him being an enemy combatant or how he's to be charged/tried.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-the-right-one
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Do you read? I never said she had anything to say about enemy combatant for or against.
 
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So it will be interesting to see what the administration says about this.
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We don't even know if the guy is associated with AQ or the Taliban, the only thing we know right now (us at least, I am sure investigators know more than us) is that he is Muslim. Now if you want to associate all Muslims with AQ and the Taliban how about we start labeling all crimes committed by Christians as religious crimes.
 
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Do you read? I never said she had anything to say about enemy combatant for or against.
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No you just kept implying it to start this stupid argument. The republicans called for him to be treated as an enemy combatant and you kept saying they agreed with them. If anyone is at fault here it is you for being intentionally fucking vague and failing to properly point that distinction out.
 
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BurnemWizfyre_sl said:
We don't even know if the guy is associated with AQ or the Taliban, the only thing we know right now (us at least, I am sure investigators know more than us) is that he is Muslim. Now if you want to associate all Muslims with AQ and the Taliban how about we start labeling all crimes committed by Christians as religious crimes.
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I don't think it's a stretch to at least assume for the purpose of this conversation:
According to media accounts, Tsarnaev and his brother, Tamerlan, were Muslims who recently gravitated to a radical strain of Islam, going so far as to post Anti-American, jihadist videos on social-media sites. Both are thought to have as-yet-unprobed ties to a radical Muslim cleric hellbent on the destruction of the American way of life.

Read more:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/21...#ixzz2R8A7mpeQ
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BurnemWizfyre_sl said:
No you just kept implying it to start this stupid argument. The republicans called for him to be treated as an enemy combatant and you kept saying they agreed with them.
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I wasn't starting an argument. I was telling Merlin he was wrong and responding to every moron that kept bringing up that it was the conservatives pushing this no miranda thing only.

I strictly talked about miranda only for pages.

A few of us see it for the non issue it is.
 
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Jesus Christ, there is a political thread for retards that want to go "The Democrats are the bad guys!" "No the Republicans are the bad ones!" over and over for the rest of eternity.
 
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Famm_sl said:
Which is pretty text book a_skeleton_03 style. I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop after he agreed with everyone on due process/rule of law/rights of the accused.
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Has it "dropped"? It has not. I do not troll on rerolled. I might be snarky from time to time but I have not yet trolled any conversation.
 
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