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Araysar

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yeah id rather be dead than spend the next 60 years in 23/7 solitary

there's only so many fucking books you can read
 
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Famm_sl said:
Apparently you didn't get the point after all. Fine. The point was that solitary is worse than being executed. No one posted that fucking link for someone to feel bad for guys doing life without parole in "the box". Fuck.
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yes pretty sure WE ALL got it the first time, why the fuck do you think you need to explain it or that other people don't understand it?, I' am glad they have punishments that are 'worse than death', a lot of people deserve them.
 
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About the article....I don't get it. He says the fate is worse than death--that any death, even burning alive, or being slowly tortured to death over a month, is far worse than solitary. Then he goes into some detail about how men have killed themselves in solitary. He even explains how a certain technique allows a quick neck snap and it's all done.

So, if he understands how to kill himself, and his fate is far worse than even a torturous death...Why is he still alive? Seems like on some level, he'd rather be alive and in solitary than dead.

(I know that doesn't get into the original point of the article...just something weird as I was reading it. )
 
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Its easy to say that but humans cling to their lives pretty tenaciously, no matter how miserable that life might get. He also says he has somehow maintained his sanity while so many others were banging their heads on bars and bathing in their own excrement, so he's got a different level of coping for the whole thing.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
yeah id rather be dead than spend the next 60 years in 23/7 solitary

there's only so many fucking books you can read
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this is what i dont get, if you were in his shoes i dont think you would want to be dead, hes still living breathing and most likely not in any physical anguish, gets 3 meals a day heat/ac TV, its not that hard im sure to kill yourself and i dont think many of them do life > death.

Not letting him see another morning or anything like that is more important than letting him rot in a cell, take everything from him like he tried to from the survivors.

Cant be that bad, they would be killing themselves left and right somehow.
 
Mist

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Araysar_sl said:
yeah id rather be dead than spend the next 60 years in 23/7 solitary

there's only so many fucking books you can read
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3 squares a day, a working toilet and a shower, and a nice dry place to sleep with no responsibilities and not having to deal with people ever again sounds amazing to me.

Then again, my house has been hit by 4 major natural disasters in 3 years, starting off with a devastating flood. I've been without running water and/or heat 8 different times in that period due to various issues with the house and mechanical utilities basically falling apart and rotting from the inside due to having what was basically a 4 foot deep swimming pool in my basement for 6 weeks. And I've been taking care of my disabled mother and her blind diabetic dog the entire time. So maybe I'm a little biased but that looks like the good life to me.
 
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TecKnoe_sl said:
this is what i dont get, if you were in his shoes i dont think you would want to be dead, hes still living breathing and most likely not in any physical anguish, gets 3 meals a day heat/ac TV, its not that hard im sure to kill yourself and i dont think many of them do life > death.

Not letting him see another morning or anything like that is more important than letting him rot in a cell, take everything from him like he tried to from the survivors.

Cant be that bad, they would be killing themselves left and right somehow.
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Did you read the article? He doesn't get TV. He describes every day as a physically palpable form of pain. The entire unit smells of piss and shit constantly. Other inmates are banging bars and screaming at the top of their lungs 24 hours a day. Death would be a favor to this guy. If you want retribution this is better than just killing him, its torture.

And I would be surprised if suicide was as easy as he made it sound actually, that's one of my issues with the article. Where there's a will there's a way though, guys have choked themselves to death with a shirt hanging off something near the floor when there's no possibility of hanging from the ceiling. Just takes a hell of a lot longer and most likely a CO is going to find you before you go lights out that way. Like he said actual hanging yourself is generally most effective in breaking your neck when you drop.

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3 squares a day, a working toilet and a shower, and a nice dry place to sleep with no responsibilities and not having to deal with people ever again sounds amazing to me.

Then again, my house has been hit by 4 major natural disasters in 3 years, starting off with a devastating flood. I've been without running water and/or heat 8 different times in that period due to various issues with the house and mechanical utilities basically falling apart and rotting from the inside due to having what was basically a 4 foot deep swimming pool in my basement for 6 weeks. And I've been taking care of my disabled mother and her blind diabetic dog the entire time. So maybe I'm a little biased but that looks like the good life to me.
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If you really believe this you have no fucking clue. Which isn't actually an insult. Most people have never been inside an actual prison much less a super max, but trust me any one in any super max would trade places with you immediately. Split second decision if given the choice.
 
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Mist_sl said:
3 squares a day, a working toilet and a shower, and a nice dry place to sleep with no responsibilities and not having to deal with people ever again sounds amazing to me.

Then again, my house has been hit by 4 major natural disasters in 3 years, starting off with a devastating flood. I've been without running water and/or heat 8 different times in that period due to various issues with the house and mechanical utilities basically falling apart and rotting from the inside due to having what was basically a 4 foot deep swimming pool in my basement for 6 weeks. And I've been taking care of my disabled mother and her blind diabetic dog the entire time. So maybe I'm a little biased but that looks like the good life to me.
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You need a break or something if you look on that life with envy. Before you snap and kill someone.
 
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Crazy shit. I live in Dartmouth MA right next to UMASS campus. And apparently in the same housing complex as his girlfriend or whatever. My bros father was interviewed and was on local news. THey thought he was actually in the city at one point and shut down the main expressway for many hours.

edit: And Mist I feel for you. I took care of my mother for 3 years and she just died 3 months ago. Still not over it and probably wont ever be.
 
Famm

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You need a break or something if you look on that life with envy. Before you snap and kill someone.
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Eh, he said with internet, but that's not fucking happening. Even so, its easy to sit here all aspie like and not wanting to get up and work tomorrow and think, wow yeah I could raid and never have to go out in public...but that's fantasy land not the reality of it.

Which reminds me of my other issue with the article. The guy isn't in the holejustfor his crime. He could be held at a normal max and possibly even have moved into medium security by now but there must be some extenuating reason that they see him as a safety threat. At max its still almost escape proof, super max is for guys with potential to kill officers and inmates and no one is generally kept there for such a long stretch due to the inhumanity of it. If he's not displaying psychopathy and violence he would have been given a shot at general population somewhere by now. There's holes in that story or maybe NY is more draconian than I'm aware. I would think you'd have to be in Texas or some shit to spend 25 years on 23.5 hour lock down. Its hard to believe he's not committed suicide or lost his fucking mind really.
 
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Famm_sl said:
Did you read the article? He doesn't get TV. He describes every day as a physically palpable form of pain. The entire unit smells of piss and shit constantly. Other inmates are banging bars and screaming at the top of their lungs 24 hours a day. Death would be a favor to this guy. If you want retribution this is better than just killing him, its torture.

And I would be surprised if suicide was as easy as he made it sound actually, that's one of my issues with the article. Where there's a will there's a way though, guys have choked themselves to death with a shirt hanging off something near the floor when there's no possibility of hanging from the ceiling. Just takes a hell of a lot longer and most likely a CO is going to find you before you go lights out that way. Like he said actual hanging yourself is generally most effective in breaking your neck when you drop.



If you really believe this you have no fucking clue. Which isn't actually an insult. Most people have never been inside an actual prison much less a super max, but trust me any one in any super max would trade places with you immediately. Split second decision if given the choice.
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I've been in prisons and my advisor in college did his PHD thesis working in a supermax in Ohio for 2 years but I've never been in a supermax myself. Watching my mom and her dog hours from death during Nemo before we finally got help made me kinda snap though so I'm not going to argue that I'm being completely rational in my analysis here. I do however think there's definitely some people out there in America who are living significantly worse lives than these prisoners, and if you include the entire world in the comparison there's probably hundreds of millions worse off.
 
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If you completely negate the prison/freedom aspect of it, sure. There are plenty of people living "worse" than that. But that takes away the part that actually makes it awful.
 
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Yeah, it sucks. How else are you supposed to imprison someone who is a danger to himself and anyone else he comes into contact with? No sympathy for this guy, in fact I think this essay should be required reading. Might scare a few people away from murdering innocents.
 
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TecKnoe_sl said:
this is what i dont get, if you were in his shoes i dont think you would want to be dead, hes still living breathing and most likely not in any physical anguish, gets 3 meals a day heat/ac TV, its not that hard im sure to kill yourself and i dont think many of them do life > death.

Not letting him see another morning or anything like that is more important than letting him rot in a cell, take everything from him like he tried to from the survivors.

Cant be that bad, they would be killing themselves left and right somehow.
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You have no idea, apparently, how the simplest of things are the most important. I could open my front door right now and just bounce. I could walk across the country. I could walk to the store, I could walk and buy a sandwich, a million fucking things. They've taken away from him a major factor of being human. I'd kill myself after a week.
 
Mist

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chaos_sl said:
If you completely negate the prison/freedom aspect of it, sure. There are plenty of people living "worse" than that. But that takes away the part that actually makes it awful.
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I think you're seriously overstating the amount of actual 'freedom' people in extreme poverty in extremely poor urban environments actually have.

At the very least I'm free because I can just go live in the fucking woods fairly easily, but a lot of people don't have that option.
 
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