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While were at it lets not forget who else had their special day yesterday.


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Desidero

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Nah. The mailbox and tree are on either side of it are untouched. Even if it was directional, which is doubtful, it would have hit one or the other.
The second explosion wasn't as big as the first, and the explosions themselves weren't that powerful. The picture isn't detailed enough to see if there are dents in the mailbox or small gouges in the tree.

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I highly doubt whoever built this was using a shaped charge. By definition, if it was in a pressure cooker, it wasn't a directional blast. The whole idea of that is to send shrapnel in every direction. If whoever was doing this had enough expertise to make a shaped charge (which I would imagine is only possible with difficult to attain, specialized explosives), they wouldn't need a pressure cooker for shrapnel. You'd just pack a bunch of metal in the same direction that the blast will go.
With something like a pressure cooker as a vessel, I'd imagine the first point of failure would be the lid. Knowing that, if you aim the lid towards whatever you want to hit, I'd guess that the blast would be at least partially directed that way.

Writing this response made me curious as to why the pressure cooker is popular, and it looks like I was right:

NBC News_sl said:
Sources involved in the investigation said late Tuesday that the pressure-cooker bombs were powerful "homemade claymore," directional explosives that appeared to include a triggering mechanism using a battery pack and a circuit board. Both of those elements were recovered at the scene.
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If you watch this video, you can see the blast clearly moves from the curb towards the building. The plume does not go evenly in all directions:http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50144957n

Unfortunately I couldn't find the picture I saw earlier with a better overhead angle, but this'll do I suppose (spoilered to be nice... not too graphic though):
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It's hard to tell from this, but the blood splatter goes back towards the building on all the pools. If the explosion originated further back by the table/chairs, it couldn't have left those splatter marks - they would have to face the other direction (there would be a decent amount in the street).
 

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A lot of the "blood splatter" on the ground is going to be deceiving due to being walked on, dragged or a lot of blood coming after the explosion. You'd want to look at the splatter on vertical surfaces for clear insight.
 

Desidero

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I really wish I could find the picture I saw earlier. It was not long after the blast (people were still cowering in the doorway) and you could see everything very clearly.
 

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Again, given the placement of that bag and the tree in relation to it, it would have been chopped down no different than people's legs were chopped off. Who knows though.
 

Desidero

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Nah, healthy living trees are much tougher than legs. Small trees like that would flex with the blast and the shrapnel would just make small gouges in it.
 

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Whelp, one small tiny bit of good from this whole mess is I was able to prune a few more looney-tunes from Facebook. Where do people come up with shit like this?

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Those conspiracy theories are so fucking stupid. if there really was a secret organization running the world with the capacity to pull this shit off, then they'd also have the capacity to not get caught out because they were stupid and created the facebook page early, or used actors with a public profile. Not to mention that according to the tin foil fucktards, literally every attack like this is part of their master plan, they're magically responsible for every evil in the world.
 

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And by that I meant the Atlanta bombings that had no real sane connection to his motives. I'm sure there are more incidents, but they aren't that many.
Of course they did. Have you ever read about the Olympic bombings and Eric Rudolph? First of all, it wasnt his first bombing. He got plenty of practice on abortion clinics and gay bars several years prior. He was an extremely religious pro-life right winger who did it in the name of god and because he believed that US had lost all legitimacy by legalizing abortion and "allowing" the homosexual lifestyle.



Eric Robert Rudolph (born September 19, 1966), also known as the Olympic Park Bomber, is responsible for a series of bombings across the southern United States between 1996 and 1998, which killed two people and injured at least 150 others in the name of an pro-life and anti-gay agenda. The Federal Bureau of Investigation considers him a terrorist.[1]
As a teenager Rudolph was taken by his mother to a Church of Israel compound in 1984; it is connected to the Christian Identity movement.[2] He has called himself a Roman Catholic in "the war to end this holocaust" (in reference to abortion).[3] He has confirmed religious motivation, but denied racial motivation for his crimes.[4]
He spent five years on the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives until he was caught in 2003. In 2005, as part of a plea bargain, Rudolph pled guilty to numerous federal and state homicide charges and accepted four consecutive life sentences in exchange for avoiding a trial and a potential death sentence. He remains incarcerated at the ADX Florence supermax prison in Florence, Colorado.
Motivations

Rudolph has made it clear in his written statement and elsewhere that the purpose of the bombings was to fight against abortion and the "homosexual agenda". He considered abortion to be murder, the product of a "rotten feast of materialism and self-indulgence"; accordingly, he believed that its perpetrators deserved death, and that the United States government had lost its legitimacy by sanctioning it. He also considered it essential to resist by force "the concerted effort to legitimize the practice of homosexuality" in order to protect "the integrity of American society" and "the very existence of our culture", whose foundation is the "family hearth".[8]
After Rudolph's arrest for the bombings, The Washington Post reported that the FBI considered Rudolph to have "had a long association with the radical Christian Identity movement, which asserts that Northern European whites are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, God's chosen people."[22] Christian Identity is a white nationalist sect that holds that those who are not white Christians will be condemned to Hell.[23] In the same article, the Post reported that some FBI investigators believed Rudolph may have written letters that claimed responsibility for the nightclub and abortion clinic bombings on behalf of the Army of God, a group that sanctions the use of force to combat abortions and is associated with Christian Identity.[24]
In a statement released after he entered a guilty plea, Rudolph denied being a supporter of the Christian Identity movement, claiming that his involvement amounted to a brief association with the daughter of a Christian Identity adherent, later identified as Pastor Daniel Gayman. When asked about his religion he said, "I was born a Catholic, and with forgiveness I hope to die one."[4][25] In other written statements, Rudolph has cited biblical passages and offered religious motives for his militant opposition to abortion.[8]
Some books and media outlets have portrayed Rudolph as a "Christian Identity extremist"; Harper's Magazine referred to him as a "Christian terrorist."[26] The NPR radio program On Point referred to him as a "Christian Identity extremist."[27] The Voice of America reported that Rudolph could be seen as part of an "attempt to try to use a Christian faith to try to forge a kind of racial and social purity."[28] Writing in 2004, authors Michael Shermer and Dennis McFarland saw Rudolph's story as an example of "religious extremism in America," warning that the phenomenon he represented was "particularly potent when gathered together under the umbrella of militia groups,"[29] whom they believe to have protected Rudolph while he was a fugitive.
In a letter to his parents from prison, Rudolph has written, "Many good people continue to send me money and books. Most of them have, of course, an agenda; mostly born-again Christians looking to save my soul. I suppose the assumption is made that because I'm in here I must be a 'sinner' in need of salvation, and they would be glad to sell me a ticket to heaven, hawking this salvation like peanuts at a ballgame. I do appreciate their charity, but I could really do without the condescension. They have been so nice I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible."[30]
Anti-crime activist and TV host John Walsh stated that he believed Rudolph to be a "psychopath", while Rudolph's former sister-in-law Debra Rudolph asserted that his motivation was based on white supremacist and anti-abortion beliefs.[31]

Bombings

Rudolph is best known as the perpetrator of Centennial Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta which occurred on July 27, 1996, during the 1996 Summer Olympics. He called the police, warning about the bomb before it detonated. The blast killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Melih Uzunyol, a Turkish cameraman who ran to the scene following the blast, died of a heart attack. Rudolph's motive for the bombings, according to his April 13, 2005 statement, was political:
In the summer of 1996, the world converged upon Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection and auspices of the regime in Washington millions of people came to celebrate the ideals of global socialism. Multinational corporations spent billions of dollars, and Washington organized an army of security to protect these best of all games. Even though the conception and the purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is the promote the values of global socialism as perfectly expressed in the song "Imagine" by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 Games - even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these despicable ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27th was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the Games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested.[8]
 

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Those conspiracy theories are so fucking stupid. if there really was a secret organization running the world with the capacity to pull this shit off, then they'd also have the capacity to not get caught out because they were stupid and created the facebook page early, or used actors with a public profile. Not to mention that according to the tin foil fucktards, literally every attack like this is part of their master plan, they're magically responsible for every evil in the world.
To all the conspiracy theory people: If your fat, Cheetos dust covered ass figured it out, it doesn't exist.
 

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So pretty interesting development. The Family Guy episode that aired March 17th of this year BLATANTLY depicts a tragic event at the Boston Marathon. SPECIFICALLY this event. There's a scene where Peter is being interviewed and behind them is a picture of Peter driving a car with multiple dead bodies and a street covered in blood behind him. Also during the episode he dials a cell phone which detonates TWO explosive devices. How big of a mother fucking coincidence does it have to be for you dumb fucks to realize the truth of the matter.
 

Azrayne

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So pretty interesting development. The Family Guy episode that aired March 17th of this year BLATANTLY depicts a tragic event at the Boston Marathon. SPECIFICALLY this event. There's a scene where Peter is being interviewed and behind them is a picture of Peter driving a car with multiple dead bodies and a street covered in blood behind him. Also during the episode he dials a cell phone which detonates TWO explosive devices. How big of a mother fucking coincidence does it have to be for you dumb fucks to realize the truth of the matter.
Why the fuck would a secret government organization plan a false flag operation, then warn everyone by dropping hints in mass media? It makes no sense at all.

Oh, and also, it's fake.
 

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So pretty interesting development. The Family Guy episode that aired March 17th of this year BLATANTLY depicts a tragic event at the Boston Marathon. SPECIFICALLY this event. There's a scene where Peter is being interviewed and behind them is a picture of Peter driving a car with multiple dead bodies and a street covered in blood behind him. Also during the episode he dials a cell phone which detonates TWO explosive devices. How big of a mother fucking coincidence does it have to be for you dumb fucks to realize the truth of the matter.
if you're fishing that hard for a life imitates art scenario when it comes to terrorism, you're better off with this. Lone Gunmen pilot basically had the exact 9/11 scenario (down to the planes and the buildings) in their pilot episode, an episode that aired 6 months before 9/11

 

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I think there might be some credence to the idea that the Boston PD got some sort of bomb threat or tip. The amount of anti bomb units they mobilized prior to the race seems much higher than what would be expected as a routine; even for a marathon. That isn't me talking, that is experienced runners and some event goers making that call.

They didn't find anything in the areas they searched prior to the race. This includes the start and finish lines. Which means there probably wasn't anything to find. From accounts it sounds like the bombs might have been placed shortly before detonation. So unless they had been screening all spectators coming into the race area (impossible?) chances of them catching it were slim.

Which raises the question. If the PD had a threat, should they have notified the public? It might be easy to say yes, in the face of what happened. But a policy that divulges every threat to the public can be turned into a weapon as well.

The Boston PD does not claim to have prior knowledge. But honestly, why would they ever admit that they knew something but didn't tell anyone, and people died as a result. That is PR hell. So whether they actually knew or not is not going to come from their lips.

I am not going all conspiracy theory and saying the Boston PD was helping the bomber. I just think that their mobilization level during the race might indicate that they had information to make them suspect a plot involving explosives, beyond routine caution. And that they were stuck with a decision to inform the public or not.

I mean if they were in on the plot they would want to draw as little attention to anything being out of the ordinary. Which means standard deployment, nothing fancy. I don't think there is going to be an investigation. So it is pointless to speculate I guess; but it was something I was mulling over.
 

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Quote Originally Posted by Luminati View Post
So pretty interesting development. The Family Guy episode that aired March 17th of this year BLATANTLY depicts a tragic event at the Boston Marathon. SPECIFICALLY this event. There's a scene where Peter is being interviewed and behind them is a picture of Peter driving a car with multiple dead bodies and a street covered in blood behind him. Also during the episode he dials a cell phone which detonates TWO explosive devices. How big of a mother fucking coincidence does it have to be for you dumb fucks to realize the truth of the matter.

Quote Originally Posted by Salshun View Post
Good read:

http://snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp
Thanks, bro. Reading is apparently fucking hard.
 

Pancreas

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I remember watching that episode. For quite a while on the show website it was said the second part of the season finale never aired. I was like... no way, I remember seeing it. (I really did say no way)

Another art predicts life scenario is from "cowboy bebop" episode 19 Wild horses. The plot featured an antique space shuttle Columbia. During the episode the ceramic tiles start coming off and the shuttle starts to burn up during reentry and crashes. The episode aired 4 years before the actual disaster where the same thing happened.
 

Salshun_sl

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I remember watching that episode. For quite a while on the show website it was said the second part of the season finale never aired. I was like... no way, I remember seeing it. (I really did say no way)

Another art predicts life scenario is from "cowboy bebop" episode 19 Wild horses. The plot featured an antique space shuttle Columbia. During the episode the ceramic tiles start coming off and the shuttle starts to burn up during reentry and crashes. The episode aired 4 years before the actual disaster where the same thing happened.
Belling landings in airplanes happen. They're rare, but not unheard of. So by your logic if I made a cartoon now, and 4 years later some random mechanical failure happened in a plane that prevented the landing gear from deploying, it's a conspiracy? Random shit happens, but fuck that noise, I'm Negrodamas up in this bitch.
 

Pancreas

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I didn't say anything about conspiracy. It was an unfortunate coincidence. Art imitating life is not new, it's been going on for thousands of years. It's just usually the imitation is done after the fact.