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KCXIV_sl said:
Canelo-Kirkland is going to see a knock out. Both dudes like to throw them! lol Its going to be interesting. Canelo is like 24 now. He's about to hit his prime in the next year or so. Should be a fun fight.
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I saw some article a few years back about how boxer were hitting their "prime" years later and later. Like ~30ish was what they were saying at the time. I can't find it now, wish I could, but it was pretty convincing. Tons of examples and explanations about how that seemed to be where they had the best convergence of speed/stamina/skills/smarts.

There was a vaguely similar one about MMA, though more about the end of their primes, showing that it wasn't so much age as just ring time really.After 9 years as a prothe fighters seem to hit the wall.

Not to say Canelo won't hit his prime for another 6 years or anything, he started so young, just reminded me of the thing.

Vandyn_sl said:
The Buster Douglas fight goes down as one of the top upsets
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Anyone else remember the manufactured controversy at the time about how Douglas was down for 12 seconds etc when Tyson knocked him down in he 8th? Did anyone else totally cling to that for years and years as an excuse for Tyson and kind of blame his entire downfall on a bad count from the ref? I remember it was a very long time before I accepted reality on that one=P
 
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Grimmlokk_sl said:
I saw some article a few years back about how boxer were hitting their "prime" years later and later. Like ~30ish was what they were saying at the time. I can't find it now, wish I could, but it was pretty convincing. Tons of examples and explanations about how that seemed to be where they had the best convergence of speed/stamina/skills/smarts.

There was a vaguely similar one about MMA, though more about the end of their primes, showing that it wasn't so much age as just ring time really.After 9 years as a prothe fighters seem to hit the wall.

Not to say Canelo won't hit his prime for another 6 years or anything, he started so young, just reminded me of the thing.




Anyone else remember the manufactured controversy at the time about how Douglas was down for 12 seconds etc when Tyson knocked him down in he 8th? Did anyone else totally cling to that for years and years as an excuse for Tyson and kind of blame his entire downfall on a bad count from the ref? I remember it was a very long time before I accepted reality on that one=P
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I think there is definitely something to be said about a loss. Some fighters are never the same. Who knows, Tyson barely getting out of that situation could have been the wake up he needed. He was at the bar till like 4am the night before that fight. I look at guys like Meldrick Taylor, he was such an amazing fighter and was just never the same after his bullshit loss to Chavez.
 
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Convo_sl said:
I think there is definitely something to be said about a loss.
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I'm not saying the loss didn't fuck him up, I'm saying the loss was legit. The "long count" was just a normal count, refs are usually behind the timekeeper by a couple seconds and that's all it was. It was exactly the same when Tyson was down. Douglas was up and ready and just using the full count to recover.
 
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Ah. Gotcha. Yea. He was off a little but nothing too outrageous.

Edit- Floyd open to rematch with manny when shoulder heals. I'm all for it.
 
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I always thought it would be fun if we could somehow see a Mayweather vs. Sweet Pea Whitaker in his prime fight. Two of the best defensive and counter punch fighters ever.... Would either be boring as hell or awesome.
 
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Tarrant_sl said:
I always thought it would be fun if we could somehow see a Mayweather vs. Sweet Pea Whitaker in his prime fight. Two of the best defensive and counter punch fighters ever.... Would either be boring as hell or awesome.
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Would be like two protection-spec warriors dueling back in Vanilla WoW days.

I did that once. 10 minutes later we both gave up out of boredom.
 
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Convo_sl said:
I think there is definitely something to be said about a loss. Some fighters are never the same. Who knows, Tyson barely getting out of that situation could have been the wake up he needed. He was at the bar till like 4am the night before that fight. I look at guys like Meldrick Taylor, he was such an amazing fighter and was just never the same after his bullshit loss to Chavez.
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Tyson himself will tell you the Egg Dome was the last place in the world he wanted to be that night. He (and his career) went from immortal to mortal in one night. Makes you really wonder if it would of went the same way if he never fought Buster Douglas that night.
 
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Brahma_sl said:
Question. They are saying Pac can be charged with perjury. With whom?
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Haven't heard that word tossed around but basically he reported no injuries then asked for an anti inflammatory shot 2 hours before the fight so the commission is considering fining him.
 
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Could you imagine the backlash if the fight had to be cancelled yet again? That fight was what... 7 years in the making? If it didn't go down last weekend nobody would have believed it ever would.
 
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Way too much money on the line. My guess is manny tweaked it in training then tore it during the fight. I hope Floyd fights Thurman next. He's the only one that isn't afraid to get hit to land his shots.
 
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Slightly suspect shoulder injury is an excuse for boring as fuck shitshow and to justify a rematch and another 100 million dollars.

"Hey guys this time he doesn't have an injury it won't be boring like last time give us more money!"
 
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Swagdaddy_sl said:
Slightly suspect shoulder injury is an excuse for boring as fuck shitshow and to justify a rematch and another 100 million dollars.

"Hey guys this time he doesn't have an injury it won't be boring like last time give us more money!"
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Plus this time if he is hurt we seriously promise not to lie about it.
 
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I think where they went wrong and the bigger disservice to the sport was the undercard. Top fighters but they were fighting bums.

You get what you get with Floyd. He's a defensive fighter and most of his fights are boring. Just like Hopkins until recent years. I'll get behind a rematch and give manny the benefit of doubt. Not so sure the outcome will be different but I'd imagine manny would take more chances this time around. One thing I didn't understand and maybe the shoulder injury puts a little clarity to it...but Floyd always flees to his right, yet manny was unable to catch him with any right hooks on the way out. The shoulder could have limited him. I'm being kind here.

People will watch a rematch. It's a year from now at the earliest and it will have the drama of 50-0 to go along with it.
 
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Brahma_sl said:
Question. They are saying Pac can be charged with perjury. With whom?
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That is being tossed around because when they fill out and sign the questioner it says "under penalty of perjury" where they sign. I don't know how much legal weight the document actually holds in that regard, but that is where the reports on a possible perjury charge are coming from.

And now according to reports in the US, the non-disclosure has sparked an investigation by the Nevada authorities - since by signing the document, both Pacquiao and his adviser Michael Koncz "hereby swear under penalty of perjury, that the above information is true and correct to the best of my knowledge".

"Disclosure is a big thing for us, and honesty," Cisco Aguilar, the Nevada Athletic Commissioner chairman told the Daily News on Monday. "The commission at some point will have to discuss (Pacquiao's medical questionnaire). I've got to run through the process with the (Nevada) Attorney General (Adam Laxalt). But they do sign that document under the penalty of perjury."
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There is no way this fight will happen next year. Both camps will dis agree forever.

By that time Mayweather will be 40, and I could give two fucks about seeing him fight at that age.
 
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It will happen. They will just follow the current deal structure. Only thing that will change is mannys cut. We will know when Floyd picks his next opponent. The less risky the fighter the more likely he's fighting manny next May.
 
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