Brave Frontier

Bah.....so saw Bestie, Medina and Ruby in an actual rate-up, and decided to fish a little. Ended up taking a summon ticket and 30 gems and flushing them right down the toilet.

A bit depressing to do some summoning, then just going over to the achievement store, selecting all the units, and selling every single one of them for points.

Really wish I could have that one back. Not sure if I am more frustrated with myself or the game.

If you summon any more, I'd hold off on selling them with a probable super honor summon a few days away - level them at least to 4* 60 and get more points with all the fodder. Unless you, like me, started out really strong with the honor farming and then got lazy as fuck.

And yeah, the rates have been abysmal for almost every event since the advent of 7 star units. I hadn't been playing long before that, but I swear I remember them being better. Maybe it's because they pollute their 'popular' rateups with 6 star trash. Not always even good 6 stars like Rosetta or Shera or Luka or whatever. (*points at Kuda*).

edit: if it makes you feel any better, I've been denied a true crit buffer my entire BF career, excepting Dion - he's really, really good, but that quality comes from his versatility. Buf if I'm not using Reis friend, I have to juggle his BB and SBB and it gets more annoying than you think. I've also been denied any attack mitigators, save Shera.

Yea, summoning lately has been a helluva downer. I've been internally debating the true merits of the God Gate - in that, yea, you get units that were all originally released with 7-star forms....but you also lose out on any chance for the units that have been getting 7-star since then, and some of them are God-Tier (Elimo, Edea....presumably Tridon would be there too at the old gate, amongst a whole host of others far too numerous to list.)

But I swear to god, after my last....fuck, I don't even know how many.....besides that Zenia (and that was a +1 in the Gift Box), my summons have been such utter dogshit that I don't even want to summon anymore. It is the opposite of fun....fuckin sucks the fun out of the game.

The Summon Ticket? Hey, whatever. Yolo. .....But flushing away 30 Gems like I did just leaves me wishing I'd bought 150 Item/Character slots or enough Gems to use a Gem for every single Imp Parade for the next 30x Imp Keys (think of it, seriously)....Summoning is only valuable if you get something worth ever using someplace.... But I used my 30 gems to trade for enough 'Merit Points' in the Achivement Store to buy....*drumroll* Half-of-an-Imp-Key.....Might try it again in September to get the other half.

On that alone, the "God Gate" will be a boon.....even when you get dupes you won't feel like you are getting fucked raw every goddamn time. My internal debate is over....bring the God Gate to global. Soon.

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On another note, I'm at 70k Honor...between that and levels, the last week and a half have been a grind. Been neglecting a lot of shit just for Honor/XP. At least double XP ends tonight....almost glad for it to be over. Levels are getting freakin' huge, never grinding XP again outside a 2X event or Half-Energy on the Monday Vortex dungeon.


I do believe this game is starting to make me bitter

My luck in this game is so inconsistent it kills me. It was like 3 7 star batches and a few rateups before I had any 7 star units besides Kanon and Ivris. Then within 25 gems I got Claire, Raaga, Oguro and of course Deimos 30 gems into his event. It was also during that event that the game started throwing Oracle Knights at me - not a preferred batch to summon disproportionately, but I'll take it because they're good and very underrated.

It's now time to confess that I got a Bestie within 5 summons on the day she was released. Everybody here including me has been and continues to be pretty frustrated over blowing gems on OP Global units, the sneaky "GET YOUR ULTOR AND EDEA NOW" rateups that preceded Deimos and Zeina, and the general lack rateups with decent units and/or chances to get them, so I just didn't mention it. Haven't used her to her fullest anyway - I like Medina more as a sub, and Deimos is too good of a lead to dispense with, but she's nice on raids - the BB on hit and the ares on her SBB mean I don't need any BB management leads. Impending obsolescence be damned, though - I wanted Reis.

Anyway, my point is that I'm pretty down on the summon gate, too. I've spent probably 70 gems since the Deimos event started and have Deimos and some Oracle Knights - and I'll concede Bestie, but I think she's overrated - to show for it. I'm not gonna spend another gem on summons until there's an actual rateup on either mitigators or Krantz's batch. And even then, I'm gonna be looking at the reddit rateup threads to determine whether it's a true rateup.

Ishad's the smart one here because he knows when to stop and knows when to wait. Every now and then he'll drop in and say he summoned like 15 times and tell how he faired, and every time I'm like, "Wtf, you could do 15 summons when I KNOW you're F2P and I KNOW you have a policy to always have a significant number of gems on hand?". Whereas I had blown 3 gems by the end of yesterday on a rateup that included a unit I owned - Dion -, two I don't want anymore - Colt and Kira - and two I actually wanted - Reis and Yuura. I got two Elzas and a Luther.

No more. I'll be lucky to scrounge up 30 to 40 gems for the rateup that I should have waited for in the first place.

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

No more. I'll be lucky to scrounge up 30 to 40 gems for the rateup that I should have waited for in the first place.

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Heh, This.

No matter when I summon, that is almost word-for-word what goes on inside my head afterwards every single time.



Grats on the Bestie though! She is still a premier unit, but ya, I agree, between Deimos and Tridon and such releasing just before her batch, it definitely took some of the shine off Vesti. I still want one though...and a Medina (I don't want an Anima or Breaker Medina, I want my Medina to be Funky Cold.) Some of those BC/BB starved fights are hell without that kind of support.

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

Ishad's the smart one here because he knows when to stop and knows when to wait. Every now and then he'll drop in and say he summoned like 15 times and tell how he faired, and every time I'm like, "Wtf, you could do 15 summons when I KNOW you're F2P and I KNOW you have a policy to always have a significant number of gems on hand?". Whereas I had blown 3 gems by the end of yesterday on a rateup that included a unit I owned - Dion -, two I don't want anymore - Colt and Kira - and two I actually wanted - Reis and Yuura. I got two Elzas and a Luther.

No more. I'll be lucky to scrounge up 30 to 40 gems for the rateup that I should have waited for in the first place.

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I basically got lucky by when I started (right around the time of the zelnite batch) I got good pulls early and was able to amass a bunch of gems between November compensation and December 1st anniversary giveaway. It's also easier to resist the urge to pull since I'm sitting on: oulu, michele, melchio, ahvel, alyut, farlon, lunaris, ragashlem, shera, reeze, shida, zelnite, elza and aurelia. I literally have more units with announced 7* forms than actual 7* units.

The major problem is not summoning for months gets boring, but that led me lose 15 summons when besti was released. Going to let my stash recover until the god gate gets here.

Ao-_sl said:

What's god gate?

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Jp version has divided the gates. Feeva's batch on is from the God gate, all old units come from the other gate. Both gates cost 5 gems.

So "Double" Honor is over.....and no Super Honor Summons to follow.

How long have you been setting up this Troll, Gumi?

I am actually impressed Well played Gumi. Well Played.

Ao-_sl said:

Gumi is too troll to allow that.

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Right now there are so many people just hoarding gems waiting for the God Gate that Gumi would do well to release it just to get it out of folks systems so they get back to buying again.


If the Glyph batch comes and goes without the God Gate though, I think the Brave Frontier sub-reddit might just go full Meltdown.

Defeated the Lira GGC for Oulu's sphere and got Grahden's 6-star today.

I know I'm a bit late to the party on the Lira GGC....good lord though, when only Oulu was on the screen, I felt like I could just put it on Auto and go make a sandwich, take a nap, and walk around the neighborhood a few times and still have to wait on it when I got back. Friggin' thing takes so long, I never had to worry about energy....With the Half-Energy Vortex event, I'd end up gaining more energy than it cost me while I was in there.

Tossed the sphere frog and whatever imps I got from doing Grahden's GQ directly on him after I evolved him to his 6-star form....I'm not going to finish leveling/imping him up until they get around to doing the next SHS probably though.....and I **might** wait until I have Grahden's finished before I go back to trying to finish the first Frontier Gate mission.

I don't have the stomach to spend a gazillion hours on FG just now after having done pretty much that on Lira's GGC heh.

Going to take my time and start chipping away at getting 100% on the other GQ's I think.

Ao-_sl said:

Gumi is too troll to allow that.

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I don't see why not. Plenty of 7 star units have been thoroughly power creeped out of usefulness, if they don't the odds of pulling a useful unit goes to complete shit and people quit.

Ishad_sl said:

I don't see why not. Plenty of 7 star units have been thoroughly power creeped out of usefulness, if they don't the odds of pulling a useful unit goes to complete shitand people quit.

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You nailed it.

Even when folks have done most of the content, as long as they have characters/spheres or something to work on/work toward, they'll keep busy and keep playing.......but if they get one too many bum summons in a row where they get nothing at all new to work on.....they run out of things to aspire to have/do.....and they find other things to do with their time.

Ishad is further down the road than I am, but even I have all my 7-stars sphere'd (not all imp'd).....but even I already have a 7-star Fully Imp'd that I'd consider pretty much obsolete (read: very much outdated, not useless) at this point: a fully imp'd Anima Diana, I really thought she'd last longer than she did....but now she is just regulated to 2nd/3rd or even 4th squad duties on Trials/GQ's etc.

Probably the biggest reason Alim keeps putting out new units like gangbusters is to keep people active and give them lots of new shit they can be doing.....Gumi would do well to follow them on the God Gate.....although I admit, I'm holding my breath a little, because it isn't exactly "content", and I don't have 100% faith that Gumi will implement it either.....but they SHOULD.

Looking into the future, I can see that my time here would definitely be shorter if they don't.

Leto Eu`Acumen_sl said:

You nailed it.

Even when folks have done most of the content, as long as they have characters/spheres or something to work on/work toward, they'll keep busy and keep playing.......but if they get one too many bum summons in a row where they get nothing at all new to work on.....they run out of things to aspire to have/do.....and they find other things to do with their time.

Ishad is further down the road than I am, but even I have all my 7-stars sphere'd (not all imp'd).....but even I already have a 7-star Fully Imp'd that I'd consider pretty much obsolete (read: very much outdated, not useless) at this point: a fully imp'd Anima Diana, I really thought she'd last longer than she did....but now she is just regulated to 2nd/3rd or even 4th squad duties on Trials/GQ's etc.

Probably the biggest reason Alim keeps putting out new units like gangbusters is to keep people active and give them lots of new shit they can be doing.....Gumi would do well to follow them on the God Gate.....although I admit, I'm holding my breath a little, because it isn't exactly "content", and I don't have 100% faith that Gumi will implement it either.....but they SHOULD.

Looking into the future, I can see that my time here would definitely be shorter if they don't.

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Heh, I've steadily lost interest over the past month or so. Haven't tried Xie Jing or the new trial, haven't tried any Grand Quests past Seria's, only tried the new GGC once. Hell, I haven't even played today aside from logging in. Whether I need units or not, their acquisition is the bedrock that underlies the fun of these games. That's why I've argued (to all appearances unsuccessfully here) that they need to release MORE units - not fewer - in addition to a steady stream of content.

And I don't mean MORE truly meta units like Deimos, Tridon and Zenia that leaves gem-starved players feeling well and truly fucked. I just mean MORE units - new mechanics, maybe more than half a dozen fucking mitigators, sensible updates to obsolete units, etc. And for the love of God, reddit BF fanatics, stop dropping hundreds of dollars on new batches without rateups.

I'll preface the following by conceding that no current content (that I've completed anyway, and I've completed GQ, which Ishad I think said is the hardest in Global) requires a squad of entirely meta units. Still, something shitty's going on when everybody completing current content (save Ishad - and kudos btw for undermining my assertion that Zenia is required for FG) is using the same fucking units plus a mitigator, with 1-3 of 6 slots filling other roles. The metric of success of late - subtracting cases of admirable tenacity from people who didn't blow their load on global units - seems to be a question of how many specific units, rather than specific roles, you bring to the table.

I haven't been playing seriously for long, but I do seem to recall people coaching new players on the necessity of sparkers, mitigators, crit buffers, gauge fillers in any squad. Now it's a matter of how much you can fill up your team with Zenia, Bestie, Tridon and Deimos.

There's also entirely too much Reis to Glyph going on and not enough Kikuri to Medina going on. I get it, clear upgrades are more fun, but not when kings are usurped a batch away from their introduction. On the other hand, I greatly enjoyed Medina coming out so close to Kikuri because they fill the same role but slightly outperform one another on certain tasks - this was key to my FG team. Two similar units with slightly differing toolsets accomplishes two things: first, they're both useful - even to people that have both, and second, your chances of getting a unit that does more or less what you want is essentially doubled.

If I didn't have a Kikuri or a Medina - and possibly even if I had one but not the other - I'd love to summon during a rateup that had the two of them. But this shit I was stupid enough to summon for two days ago? It had one unit about to be truly obsolete - Colt -, one that's been relegated to niche use - Kira -, another slightly niche but still pretty good - Dion -, and a current king soon to be robbed of his crown - Reis. Fuuuuuuck that.

So I'm starting to give some attention to "The Crimson God's Cry" GQ...the one that only allows 54 max cost. Some folks go with a 7-star and a 4-star (For all I know, with the right spheres a Deimos could probably solo the whole thing heh)...but I think two 6-stars is probably my best bet.

One of the most recommended combinations seems to be Rowgen + Exvehl, and I do happen to have them both so probably going to give them a whirl. Neither one has ever been sphere'd though (no biggie, I have the frogs) and both have never had their Brave Burst levels touched even once (Brave Burst level 1 on both of them).....I didn't get either of them until after I'd outgrown them already, so they just never got much use.

If I do go with that combination, I'll want to sphere frog them both and unlock their SBB's. My Guardian Rowgen wouldn't get much (if any) use afterwards, but at least Exvehl is getting a 7-star soon'ish.....either way Rowgen is still handy to have around even if his prospects are minimal nowadays (I don't have the fancier spheres to 'cheese' him anywhere, and I have Oracle Tazer and a max imp'd Anima Oguro for my infinite ST SBB needs), and with Exvehl getting a 7th star, nothing is really wasted there anyway.

I still have a 6-star Tridon rolling around I was looking at too....I'd been half considering ranking him up to 7 even though I can only ever have one Tridon with a unique sphere at a time......a 2nd Po' Man's Tridon with no imps and off-brand spheres could still be useful in some situations as powerful a character as he can be......2nd Tridon would take a significant HP hit under those conditions though.....not sure if he has more value to me remaining at a lower cost 6 star form or ranking up to 7 stars.

On that subject though, a while back I did get a 2nd Elimo (Lord type)....I'm almost certainly going to raise her up to her 7-star rank.....she doesn't have to worry about sharing unique spheres and she is still God Tier when it comes to getting the most out of your character slots for Trials and other difficult content.....Lord type is even marginally better than the Breaker type on my 7-star Elimo. I'd have preferred Guardian or Anima, but I'd be willing to Imp out a Lord.....at one point I had excessive Defense Imps sitting around and my Breaker Elimo has maxed out Defense heh. (Zero HP imps, Zero ATK imps, One Rec imp for shits and giggles and max'd out Defense imps.....she's weird like that.) If I went the route to give the Lord Elimo the red carpet treatment though, a max Imp'd Lord Elimo could be downright respectable. Very very rarely anymore would I see any need/purpose for having two of the same characters at the same rank being invested in, but Elimo makes one hell of a strong case.

My luck though, I'd burn a Legend Stone + a couple truckloads of Imps on her the day before she got outclassed by new or recently upgraded units, then I'd have two of them both looking at me accusingly, reminding me of all my bad decisions I've already had units go past their expiration date faster than Elimo's 7-star has been around

Need more LUKA NIGHT FEEEEEEEVER for that trial!

Yeah feel bad but raised 7* (O) Oulu. I'll prob max imp anyway though. Tree is at least (A). WVA I'm going with Selena,Tazer,Oulu,Tridon,Kurt.. Almost at 10 malice so I'm thinking I can start to delete some legwands. I'm at 240 item space but it just follows you as you keep increasing. And doing an hour of imp dungeon is really boring my god. I almost don't want to do it again.

I've been to 600+ wins twice now but start to get lazy bringing non arena teams. I think once I can get michele lead and they finally add the arena team option it'll be easier.

I was lucky and had Cerise from Thunder vortex so I had Cerise/Griel on Seria GQ.