I don't know what kind of culture you grew up in, but mine in no way taught me that I was "owed" sex. And keep in mind I come from a culture that imbues men with magic powers and teaches them that they'll get to be literalgodswith multiple wives in the afterlife, so uhhhh, where did you grow up exactly? Outside of maybe some areas in the middle east, this "culture" you're referring to is a fabrication. Do you honestly think there's some sort of significant community of virgin males that go around raping women so that they can finally consider themselves "men"?One altogether reasonable suggestion is that culture tells men that they have sex coming to them, that they are owed it. Men who take this to heart get all kinds of fucked up when they aren't getting any and can't understand why. A man isn't a man unless he's got a place to park his dick, right? A lot of the time this is where feminists are coming from when they get annoyed at suggestions being made to women about how to react to rape. They see that as energy that should be going into preventing the idea that men are owed sex just for being men and thereby reducing rape altogether. They think that telling girls to take self-defense courses is akin to saying "boys gonna be boys, you prolly gonna get raped, better learn to deal with it". Again, I don't think it's a bad idea for girls to learn self defense (or boys, for that matter, as anybody might be put in a situation where it could come in handy), just as it's not a bad idea to buy a bike lock even though people shouldn't be trying to steal your bike. I'm just trying to give you a little perspective here.
hahaha"Not happy w/ Miss Nevada's answer that to stop rape we should teach women to defend themselves?Why don't we teach men to not rape?"
Yeah, feminists. The problem is that we're failing to teach men to not rape.
Jesus fucking Christ.
True. But that doesn't mean trying to identify the causes of rape and using that knowledge to reduce rape is pointless.The idea that we can reduce the preponderance of rape if we just stressed that it was wrong more often to men is completely naive and ignores the nature of reality.
Agreed.While on the flip side, if rape attempts became more dangerous for rapists, that actually would have a significant impact.
Culture never told me that I am owed sex. Where the fuck is this dumb shit even coming from? More make-believe problems from feminists.I was gonna stay silent because I actually agree that this backlash against Miss Nevada's response is pretty ridiculous.
However, you bring up an interesting point.
Officially, we do teach kids not to lie. Inevitably, they grow up to be liars just like everyone else. Why is that? Could it be because we lie to them from a young age for a variety of reasons (protect them from harsh truths, maintain a pleasant illusion, etc)? Maybe because we put them in situations where the truth can have negative consequences (ie: after doing something bad)? Or is it because the older they get, the more they realize that the world is full of lies? While we might tell kids to their faces "Lying is bad, you shouldn't lie", the culture they grow up in teaches them the exact opposite: That lying is a way of life.
Similarly, we officially teach everyone that rape is bad and we shouldn't do it. We're doing a decent job of it, as rape numbers are down, but why not consider why rapists rape at all? No one is born a rapist, just as no one is born a liar. One altogether reasonable suggestion is that culture tells men that they have sex coming to them, that they are owed it. Men who take this to heart get all kinds of fucked up when they aren't getting any and can't understand why. A man isn't a man unless he's got a place to park his dick, right? A lot of the time this is where feminists are coming from when they get annoyed at suggestions being made to women about how to react to rape. They see that as energy that should be going into preventing the idea that men are owed sex just for being men and thereby reducing rape altogether. They think that telling girls to take self-defense courses is akin to saying "boys gonna be boys, you prolly gonna get raped, better learn to deal with it". Again, I don't think it's a bad idea for girls to learn self defense (or boys, for that matter, as anybody might be put in a situation where it could come in handy), just as it's not a bad idea to buy a bike lock even though people shouldn't be trying to steal your bike. I'm just trying to give you a little perspective here.
Heck, maybe our banned lonely virgin friend wouldn't have considered suicide if he didn't feel he was doing something wrong by being an antisocial virgin. Maybe that MRA guy who just shot a bunch of people wouldn't have done so if he didn't feel he was being deprived of what he deserved. We can argue 'till we're blue in the face about whether terms like "rape culture" have merit, but we have flesh and blood examples of the negative consequences of teaching men that they have earned sex by being male and that they are failures if they don't get it.
This has been your daily voice of reason.
Jesus christ you are a gigantic faggot. Did you actually have a dick in your mouth the entire time you were typing this?I was gonna stay silent because I actually agree that this backlash against Miss Nevada's response is pretty ridiculous.
However, you bring up an interesting point.
Officially, we do teach kids not to lie. Inevitably, they grow up to be liars just like everyone else. Why is that? Could it be because we lie to them from a young age for a variety of reasons (protect them from harsh truths, maintain a pleasant illusion, etc)? Maybe because we put them in situations where the truth can have negative consequences (ie: after doing something bad)? Or is it because the older they get, the more they realize that the world is full of lies? While we might tell kids to their faces "Lying is bad, you shouldn't lie", the culture they grow up in teaches them the exact opposite: That lying is a way of life.
Similarly, we officially teach everyone that rape is bad and we shouldn't do it. We're doing a decent job of it, as rape numbers are down, but why not consider why rapists rape at all? No one is born a rapist, just as no one is born a liar. One altogether reasonable suggestion is that culture tells men that they have sex coming to them, that they are owed it. Men who take this to heart get all kinds of fucked up when they aren't getting any and can't understand why. A man isn't a man unless he's got a place to park his dick, right? A lot of the time this is where feminists are coming from when they get annoyed at suggestions being made to women about how to react to rape. They see that as energy that should be going into preventing the idea that men are owed sex just for being men and thereby reducing rape altogether. They think that telling girls to take self-defense courses is akin to saying "boys gonna be boys, you prolly gonna get raped, better learn to deal with it". Again, I don't think it's a bad idea for girls to learn self defense (or boys, for that matter, as anybody might be put in a situation where it could come in handy), just as it's not a bad idea to buy a bike lock even though people shouldn't be trying to steal your bike. I'm just trying to give you a little perspective here.
Heck, maybe our banned lonely virgin friend wouldn't have considered suicide if he didn't feel he was doing something wrong by being an antisocial virgin. Maybe that MRA guy who just shot a bunch of people wouldn't have done so if he didn't feel he was being deprived of what he deserved. We can argue 'till we're blue in the face about whether terms like "rape culture" have merit, but we have flesh and blood examples of the negative consequences of teaching men that they have earned sex by being male and that they are failures if they don't get it.
This has been your daily voice of reason.
If you make an assertion without any accompanying evidence, I only have my own experiences to draw upon when analyzing the merits of your assertion. This has been my underlying criticism of the modern feminist movement throughout this entire thread. You've invented these concepts of rape culture (or some sort of culture that teaches men that they're "owed" sex) entirely out of thin air, as far as anyone can tell. And then you use these entirely made-up concepts so liberally that they become meaningless. Any slight against any woman anywhere is now magically patriarchy or rape culture or male privilege just by saying so.I think I see the problem here. If you guys don't or can't understand something, it must be wrong.
Not a goddamn thing is wrong with it. This has got to be as dumb a controversy as a contest based on physical beauty yielding any sort of meaningful social commentary. This thread still fucking sucks.What's wrong with this person's opinion about wanting women to be taught self defense?
Explain to us then. I sure as hell was never told I was owed sex and apparently I'm not alone who missed the memo.I think I see the problem here. If you guys don't or can't understand something, it must be wrong.
No the "whore-dar" is operating. She's just a whore. And therefore not a real woman.It must burn some feminists up that a woman who is that physically attractive is also intellectually superior to them.