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Sebudai

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Imagine how arrogant you have to be to roll up and start lecturing people you've never even met about how the media has specifically influenced their lives. Does Tanoomba know what your media habits are? Nope. Does he know what you watch on TV? Nope. Does he know what you read? Nope. But he's the authority. Only he can see the code of the matrix, and he's going to tell all 300+ million of us what it does to us. Is he going to cite any studies? Nope. Is he going to detail his thought process? Nope. He's just going to pull it right out of his stupid fucking faggot ass.
 

Loser Araysar

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I had several women rape me with their eyes today.

Rape culture.
 

Arbitrary

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I had several women rape me with their eyes today.

Rape culture.
Just like every problem men have the answer is feminism.

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Tanoomba

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What does the concept of white privilege "do" though? I say that because what am I supposed to do about it? Whats the point of discussing it?
If anybody started telling me I have to give part of my salary to make up for white privilege or something, I would tell them to go fuck themselves. If people ask me to admit that being a white guy has more advantages overall than being any other color or gender, I'm not going to pretend that isn't true because I'm suspicious that this might be step 1 of their long-term scheme to strip me of my powers and cheat me out of my earnings.

This is why the whole "throw out the baby with the bath water" approach you guys use drives me crazy. You'll argue tooth and nail over a ridiculously obvious truth because you're terrified that acknowledging it gives your opponent ammunition to use against you. This is why you guys can't really argue very well. Well, that and the constant,constantmisrepresenting of your opponents' points.

What's the point of discussing it? Well, in this thread the point was for me to take the bait and give Araybro a simple, effective and non-controversial description of privilege, with all the expected results (-18 nets and counting). In social justice groups, I guess one point might be to get people who don't face the same difficulties present in the lives of minorities to stop acting like jackasses who just believe their lives are better because they are better people. If you realize a lot of people had things more difficult than you not because of bad choices or mistakes made, but because of some arbitrary category we put them in based on color or gender, then maybe you won't be so resistant to trying to tear down these barriers. When somebody takes the idea of white male privilege and tries to use that as justification for misguided social action that could do more harm than good, then it's our duty to call bullshit and explain why that's a bad idea. But as long as the subject remains on acknowledging that some groups are disadvantaged more than others, it doesn't serve any purpose to pretend that isn't true. In fact,THATgives your opponents way more ammunition than a simple "Yes, white privilege exists, now what?" (which, to be fair, is pretty much the point we've reached now after much tooth-pulling).

The exact same principle applies to raping drunk people, by the way. Just because it's possible for somebody to rape a drunk person, it doesn't mean that everyone who ever fucked a drunk person is a rapist. It doesn't mean that alcohol can't play a role in sexual encounters. It doesn't mean you're green-lighting false rape accusations for generations to come. When somebody uses the "drunk people getting raped" card to try to push for prohibition or tracking collars on men or something, again it is our duty to call bullshit and calmly and rationally explain why. But again, pretending drunk people can't get raped because they were eventually manipulated into slurring out a "yes" and,after all, they did choose to drink that night so they knew the risks, is a stance that gives your opponent more ammo to use against you than simply saying "Yes, drunk people can get raped, now what?" (which, to be fair, some people started acknowledging here before we shifted away from the topic).

Maybe it's a game. Maybe they are trying to get you to admit to stuff as a trap. If it is a trap, the cleverest part about it is you either give them what they want or you end up (justifiably, I might add) looking like the delusional and out-of-touch bad guy who has zero empathy or understanding of how the world works. So yeah, I'll gladly play along and acknowledge obvious truths as they are presented to me. While this is something apparently even lawyers can't understand, acknowledging these truths doesn't put me in the same category as "screaming redhead" or "push guy off a ledge girl". But rejecting these truthsdoesput you in the "out of touch asshole" group. Sound unfair? Well shit, bitches, easy solution: Save your arguments over shit that matters and not don't waste them on silly bullshit like rejecting the existence of white privilege or saying drunk people can't be raped if you get a "yes" out of them eventually.
 

Arbitrary

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Truths? What truths? That men are raised to believe that they are owed sex? That we live in a culture that promotes and advocates the rape of women?

Then call me an out of touch asshole.
 

Tanoomba

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It's not unfair at all. You just dont want to admit it because it completely destroys your bullshit argument.

I see 5000x more acts of violence as opposed to rape every month whether its on TV, video games, movies, etc. - but if anyone suggested that we live in a culture of murder or a culture of violence, or that men are raised to be murderers - that person would get laughed out of the room. And rightly so when we see that violent crime, murders, etc. is all at a 50 year low.
Yes, it is an unfair comparison to make. Not as stupid as your lawn-mowing one (that was Earth-shatteringly stupid), but equally irrelevant.

Yes, you do live in a culture of murder.... you know what? Fuck it.
However, this is not what we're talking about, and I'd appreciate if you stayed on topic.
 

Loser Araysar

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Nah,

Privilege implies something "unearned" - its loaded meaning is used intentionally by people like Tanoomba and other race baiters. Once there are hardly any inequalities left, they still gotta rage against the white oppressor and this is what it culminates as. It is racism at its most passive aggressive. Imagine if I went to urban blacks and told them that their problems are the result of black disadvantage, a black disadvantage which built up over generations of acting like a bunch of ghetto thugs.

I'd have Al Sharpton calling for my head and the Trayvon protests would look tame by comparison. And this faggot would be typing out entire essays on what a white racist I am.
 

Loser Araysar

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Yes, it is an unfair comparison to make. Not as stupid as your lawn-mowing one (that was Earth-shatteringly stupid), but equally irrelevant.

Yes, you do live in a culture of murder.... you know what? Fuck it.
I don't live in a culture of murder. I havent murdered anyone, I dont know any murderers, I dont know anyone who has been murdered, I dont feel the urge to murder people.

Please explain to me how I live in a culture of murder.
 

iannis

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Or else you would be named Bill Cosby.

I have much respect for The Cos.

He took the opportunity he was given as the token and he both proved himself and made something better out of it.
 

Tanoomba

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Imagine how arrogant you have to be to roll up and start lecturing people you've never even met about how the media has specifically influenced their lives. Does Tanoomba know what your media habits are? Nope. Does he know what you watch on TV? Nope. Does he know what you read? Nope. But he's the authority. Only he can see the code of the matrix, and he's going to tell all 300+ million of us what it does to us. Is he going to cite any studies? Nope. Is he going to detail his thought process? Nope. He's just going to pull it right out of his stupid fucking faggot ass.
Are you kidding me here? This is pathetic. No, I don't know each individual's TV-watching habits, but I know what media we are all exposed to.
I know you watched The Matrix, and guess what? Guy gets the girl. Not only that, the power of boners brings him back to life after he gets killed. Guy also solves most of his problems through stylized action-packed violence. These are all common tropes, and we are constantly exposed to them. How could you not think that affects the way we think? We have living proof of where these kinds of influencesCOULDlead (see: Elliot Rodger), but still you believe there is no connection betweenwhat we see and hear every day of our livesandhow we think. It's literally the only thing that CAN affect how we think, for fuck's sake. What's the matter with you?
 

Mist

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Or else you would be named Bill Cosby.

I have much respect for The Cos.

He took the opportunity he was given as the token and he both proved himself and made something better out of it.
That's exactly the problem. Everyone else has to 'prove themselves'firstjust to get to certain baseline assumptions white males automatically make of other white males (who don't look like meth addicts.)

It's not a huge thing, but it's a small thing that adds up to a cumulative advantage over a large number of interactions.
 

iannis

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I dunno if those of us who grew up watching Cliff Huckstable really appreciate what the man accomplished. I know I don't, not really. Because Jello Puddin Pops. I've only watched them a few times, and when I did it seemed like the most remarkable thing about those old I-Spy's was that there was nothing remarkable about them at all. They could colorize them, update the tropes a little bit, and it would be standard "eh -- not bad" television.

And plus he made Fat Albert.
 

Loser Araysar

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Are you kidding me here? This is pathetic. No, I don't know each individual's TV-watching habits, but I know what media we are all exposed to.
I know you watched The Matrix, and guess what? Guy gets the girl. Not only that, the power of boners brings him back to life after he gets killed. Guy also solves most of his problems through stylized action-packed violence. These are all common tropes, and we are constantly exposed to them. How could you not think that affects the way we think? We have living proof of where these kinds of influencesCOULDlead (see: Elliot Rodger), but still you believe there is no connection betweenwhat we see and hear every day of our livesandhow we think. It's literally the only thing that CAN affect how we think, for fuck's sake. What's the matter with you?
To combat rape culture, all movies from now on will be where guy does NOT, I repeat DOES NOT get the girl. Also no violence.

Tanoomba, what kind of movies SHOULD we be watching? The Fault In Our Stars?
 

Tanoomba

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Nah,

Privilege implies something "unearned" - its loaded meaning is used intentionally by people like Tanoomba and other race baiters. Once there are hardly any inequalities left, they still gotta rage against the white oppressor and this is what it culminates as. It is racism at its most passive aggressive. Imagine if I went to urban blacks and told them that their problems are the result of black disadvantage, a black disadvantage which built up over generations of acting like a bunch of ghetto thugs.

I'd have Al Sharpton calling for my head and the Trayvon protests would look tame by comparison. And this faggot would be typing out entire essays on what a white racist I am.
You're right, privilege is "unearned". You didn't "earn" your white male status. Everything else you said just illustrates for the umpteenth time how terrible you are at reading. You're either a terrible troll (and you've claimed many times this is not the case) or remarkably stupid. I guess it could be both.

Please explain to me how I live in a culture of murder.
No. Start a new troll-bait thread and I'll consider posting there.
However, this is not what we're talking about, and I'd appreciate if you stayed on topic.
 

Loser Araysar

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Or else you would be named Bill Cosby.

I have much respect for The Cos.

He took the opportunity he was given as the token and he both proved himself and made something better out of it.
Bill Cosby is a rapist.

Rape culture.

He learned it from watching TV (probably not his own show though)

Google
 

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THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteen-year-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.

George and Hazel were watching television. There were tears on Hazel's cheeks, but she'd forgotten for the moment what they were about.

On the television screen were ballerinas.

A buzzer sounded in George's head. His thoughts fled in panic, like bandits from a burglar alarm.

"That was a real pretty dance, that dance they just did," said Hazel.

"Huh" said George.

"That dance-it was nice," said Hazel.

"Yup," said George. He tried to think a little about the ballerinas. They weren't really very good-no better than anybody else would have been, anyway. They were burdened with sashweights and bags of birdshot, and their faces were masked, so that no one, seeing a free and graceful gesture or a pretty face, would feel like something the cat drug in. George was toying with the vague notion that maybe dancers shouldn't be handicapped. But he didn't get very far with it before another noise in his ear radio scattered his thoughts.

George winced. So did two out of the eight ballerinas.

Hazel saw him wince. Having no mental handicap herself, she had to ask George what the latest sound had been.

"Sounded like somebody hitting a milk bottle with a ball peen hammer," said George.

"I'd think it would be real interesting, hearing all the different sounds," said Hazel a little envious. "All the things they think up."

"Um," said George.

"Only, if I was Handicapper General, you know what I would do?" said Hazel. Hazel, as a matter of fact, bore a strong resemblance to the Handicapper General, a woman named Diana Moon Glampers. "If I was Diana Moon Glampers," said Hazel, "I'd have chimes on Sunday-just chimes. Kind of in honor of religion."

"I could think, if it was just chimes," said George.

"Well-maybe make 'em real loud," said Hazel. "I think I'd make a good Handicapper General."

"Good as anybody else," said George.

"Who knows better than I do what normal is?" said Hazel.

"Right," said George. He began to think glimmeringly about his abnormal son who was now in jail, about Harrison, but a twenty-one-gun salute in his head stopped that.

"Boy!" said Hazel, "that was a doozy, wasn't it?"

It was such a doozy that George was white and trembling, and tears stood on the rims of his red eyes. Two of of the eight ballerinas had collapsed to the studio floor, were holding their temples.

"All of a sudden you look so tired," said Hazel. "Why don't you stretch out on the sofa, so's you can rest your handicap bag on the pillows, honeybunch." She was referring to the forty-seven pounds of birdshot in a canvas bag, which was padlocked around George's neck. "Go on and rest the bag for a little while," she said. "I don't care if you're not equal to me for a while."

George weighed the bag with his hands. "I don't mind it," he said. "I don't notice it any more. It's just a part of me."

"You been so tired lately-kind of wore out," said Hazel. "If there was just some way we could make a little hole in the bottom of the bag, and just take out a few of them lead balls. Just a few."

"Two years in prison and two thousand dollars fine for every ball I took out," said George. "I don't call that a bargain."

"If you could just take a few out when you came home from work," said Hazel. "I mean-you don't compete with anybody around here. You just sit around."

"If I tried to get away with it," said George, "then other people'd get away with it-and pretty soon we'd be right back to the dark ages again, with everybody competing against everybody else. You wouldn't like that, would you?"

"I'd hate it," said Hazel.

"There you are," said George. The minute people start cheating on laws, what do you think happens to society?"

If Hazel hadn't been able to come up with an answer to this question, George couldn't have supplied one. A siren was going off in his head.

"Reckon it'd fall all apart," said Hazel.

"What would?" said George blankly.

"Society," said Hazel uncertainly. "Wasn't that what you just said?

"Who knows?" said George.

The television program was suddenly interrupted for a news bulletin. It wasn't clear at first as to what the bulletin was about, since the announcer, like all announcers, had a serious speech impediment. For about half a minute, and in a state of high excitement, the announcer tried to say, "Ladies and Gentlemen."

He finally gave up, handed the bulletin to a ballerina to read.

"That's all right-" Hazel said of the announcer, "he tried. That's the big thing. He tried to do the best he could with what God gave him. He should get a nice raise for trying so hard."

"Ladies and Gentlemen," said the ballerina, reading the bulletin. She must have been extraordinarily beautiful, because the mask she wore was hideous. And it was easy to see that she was the strongest and most graceful of all the dancers, for her handicap bags were as big as those worn by two-hundred pound men.

And she had to apologize at once for her voice, which was a very unfair voice for a woman to use. Her voice was a warm, luminous, timeless melody. "Excuse me-" she said, and she began again, making her voice absolutely uncompetitive.

"Harrison Bergeron, age fourteen," she said in a grackle squawk, "has just escaped from jail, where he was held on suspicion of plotting to overthrow the government. He is a genius and an athlete, is under-handicapped, and should be regarded as extremely dangerous."

A police photograph of Harrison Bergeron was flashed on the screen-upside down, then sideways, upside down again, then right side up. The picture showed the full length of Harrison against a background calibrated in feet and inches. He was exactly seven feet tall.

The rest of Harrison's appearance was Halloween and hardware. Nobody had ever born heavier handicaps. He had outgrown hindrances faster than the H-G men could think them up. Instead of a little ear radio for a mental handicap, he wore a tremendous pair of earphones, and spectacles with thick wavy lenses. The spectacles were intended to make him not only half blind, but to give him whanging headaches besides.

Scrap metal was hung all over him. Ordinarily, there was a certain symmetry, a military neatness to the handicaps issued to strong people, but Harrison looked like a walking junkyard. In the race of life, Harrison carried three hundred pounds.

And to offset his good looks, the H-G men required that he wear at all times a red rubber ball for a nose, keep his eyebrows shaved off, and cover his even white teeth with black caps at snaggle-tooth random.

"If you see this boy," said the ballerina, "do not - I repeat, do not - try to reason with him."

There was the shriek of a door being torn from its hinges.

Screams and barking cries of consternation came from the television set. The photograph of Harrison Bergeron on the screen jumped again and again, as though dancing to the tune of an earthquake.

George Bergeron correctly identified the earthquake, and well he might have - for many was the time his own home had danced to the same crashing tune. "My God-" said George, "that must be Harrison!"

The realization was blasted from his mind instantly by the sound of an automobile collision in his head.

When George could open his eyes again, the photograph of Harrison was gone. A living, breathing Harrison filled the screen.

Clanking, clownish, and huge, Harrison stood - in the center of the studio. The knob of the uprooted studio door was still in his hand. Ballerinas, technicians, musicians, and announcers cowered on their knees before him, expecting to die.

"I am the Emperor!" cried Harrison. "Do you hear? I am the Emperor! Everybody must do what I say at once!" He stamped his foot and the studio shook.

"Even as I stand here" he bellowed, "crippled, hobbled, sickened - I am a greater ruler than any man who ever lived! Now watch me become what I can become!"

Harrison tore the straps of his handicap harness like wet tissue paper, tore straps guaranteed to support five thousand pounds.

Harrison's scrap-iron handicaps crashed to the floor.

Harrison thrust his thumbs under the bar of the padlock that secured his head harness. The bar snapped like celery. Harrison smashed his headphones and spectacles against the wall.

He flung away his rubber-ball nose, revealed a man that would have awed Thor, the god of thunder.

"I shall now select my Empress!" he said, looking down on the cowering people. "Let the first woman who dares rise to her feet claim her mate and her throne!"

A moment passed, and then a ballerina arose, swaying like a willow.

Harrison plucked the mental handicap from her ear, snapped off her physical handicaps with marvelous delicacy. Last of all he removed her mask.

She was blindingly beautiful.

"Now-" said Harrison, taking her hand, "shall we show the people the meaning of the word dance? Music!" he commanded.

The musicians scrambled back into their chairs, and Harrison stripped them of their handicaps, too. "Play your best," he told them, "and I'll make you barons and dukes and earls."

The music began. It was normal at first-cheap, silly, false. But Harrison snatched two musicians from their chairs, waved them like batons as he sang the music as he wanted it played. He slammed them back into their chairs.

The music began again and was much improved.

Harrison and his Empress merely listened to the music for a while-listened gravely, as though synchronizing their heartbeats with it.

They shifted their weights to their toes.

Harrison placed his big hands on the girls tiny waist, letting her sense the weightlessness that would soon be hers.

And then, in an explosion of joy and grace, into the air they sprang!

Not only were the laws of the land abandoned, but the law of gravity and the laws of motion as well.

They reeled, whirled, swiveled, flounced, capered, gamboled, and spun.

They leaped like deer on the moon.

The studio ceiling was thirty feet high, but each leap brought the dancers nearer to it.

It became their obvious intention to kiss the ceiling. They kissed it.

And then, neutraling gravity with love and pure will, they remained suspended in air inches below the ceiling, and they kissed each other for a long, long time.

It was then that Diana Moon Glampers, the Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun. She fired twice, and the Emperor and the Empress were dead before they hit the floor.

Diana Moon Glampers loaded the gun again. She aimed it at the musicians and told them they had ten seconds to get their handicaps back on.

It was then that the Bergerons' television tube burned out.

Hazel turned to comment about the blackout to George. But George had gone out into the kitchen for a can of beer.

George came back in with the beer, paused while a handicap signal shook him up. And then he sat down again. "You been crying" he said to Hazel.

"Yup," she said.

"What about?" he said.

"I forget," she said. "Something real sad on television."

"What was it?" he said.

"It's all kind of mixed up in my mind," said Hazel.

"Forget sad things," said George.

"I always do," said Hazel.

"That's my girl," said George. He winced. There was the sound of a rivetting gun in his head.

"Gee - I could tell that one was a doozy," said Hazel.

"You can say that again," said George.

"Gee-" said Hazel, "I could tell that one was a doozy."