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Mist

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YEah and also there is the thing about admitting that your wife beat the shit out of you with a frying pan because you went out with your buddies for some beers. Yeah not gonna happen as often as a woman reporting abuse.
Women also have reasons for not reporting abuse, like not having anywhere else safe for them and their kid(s) to go, and just putting up with it. Even if they come arrest the guy and put him in the tank for 1-3 nights, eventually he's going to come home and make you pay for it. So I think the failure to report rate is 'fairly' even, by whatever definition of fairly you guys want to use today.
 

Mist

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Full disclosure: I've been an intake worker at both homeless women and domestic abuse shelters, and my stepfather threatened to kill my mother quite a few times, and spent a couple nights locked up for it over the course of my childhood.

In his defense, my mom is fucking crazy as shit.
 

Famm

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Unreported cases are only a legitimate issue when it concerns men raping. Mist said so.
 

Voyce

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Mist is this your Okcupid profile?




To my father's credit my mother has attacked him, slapped him, kicked him, punched him, scratched him, and chased him around with knives, amongst her constant unending verbal harassment. And he's never so much as touched her, that's actually a fault on him though, not really a credit :/
 

Arbitrary

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60/40 is not 'fairly' even. 60% is a full 50% more than 40%.

The 3:1 ratio ofmurdersis not even slightly even. How do you guys argue with that?
You are really, really hung up on one study with 19 year old data. Here's another set of infos, this time from 2010 by the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePreventio...port2010-a.pdf

Now, it's a whole mess of data and I'm not going to go and cherry pick where men are worse off and I'm not going to claim women aren't getting the worst of most of this but there are a whole fucking ton of male victims of domestic violence.
 

mkopec

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Chris Rock had a good one about that. What men worry about dating and what women worry about dating.
 

Lithose

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I'll try to dig a few up, but I remember reading a lot of literature on the domestic abuse that essentially stated that MOST domestic abuse is reciprocal. So, in order to fix the problem, you'd really need to address BOTH parties behavior, not just the one who got injured. But when you say that, you get a host of feminist's saying you're "victim blaming" ect and that domestic violence is a purely male issue; and only men should be punished for it. (Groups in Sweden even got pissed off when men got counseling instead punishments.)

The problem I have with this particular feminist agenda, of making DV a purely male issue, is not the fact that it's unfair (Though it is)--it's that it projects such a narrow, and distorted view of what domestic violence is. People have this image that DV is just some guy in a wife beater, coming home with soot on him from his low paying job, and then beating his wife because dinner isn't ready. It's a preposterous image of it; and it hurts the people involved in these toxic relationships because they will never actually get help that is correctly tailored the problem, but instead will get "help" that has been born of political ideologies.

I feel pretty strongly about this issue because my cousin and my uncle, was severely abused by my aunt. I spent a lot of time at his house because I was worried about my cousin (And we were best friends). His father is (My blood uncle) Italian, and very catholic, so divorce was completely out of the question for him. My aunt always used that knowledge against him, growing more and more chaotic and childish as the years went on; she'd clean out their bank account to buy a new car for herself, go on these lavish shopping sprees, and when my uncle asked about it (I could hear them downstairs), she'd throw a fit and say he was "controlling" her, and then she'd start hitting him--a few times the cops needed to be called because she used a meat hammer. The cops believed him, and would take him to my house to let him get away for a few days, and then my aunt would move in on my cousin (I always tried to get him to stay at our house during the flare ups, but the beatings would just be worse if he did.)

Anyway, the point is, these flare ups of severe abuse? Happened maybe 2-3 times a year. At all the other times, it was just low level stuff, like her hollering or the dad bellowing about the house. Not terrible, certainly not what you would classify as "abuse"--but the problem was, is that the low end stuff would build until she actively became violent. And no one could see the relationship was toxic because everyone has this view that DV is this cliche image of the hairy, redneck who beats on his wife, and not what it actually isin most cases.In most cases, DV families look 100% normal.

The reality is, DV is usually one partner who bullies the other in very subtle ways for months, and thateventuallybecomes physical violence. Either it's a dick head guy who antagonizes his wife until she blows up, and then he takes that as his excuse to beat her ass or it's a bitch who hen pecks a guy until he finally argues back and then she starts hitting him for daring to holler at her (And then he either takes it, or hits her back.) Most DV relationships arenotthis consistent violence that we see on TV; it's a stupid image to project of DV, and it sucks we can't actually help the root cause of the issue because of politics.

(Edit: Too add, I usually don't add much about DV, because I fear my opinions will be biased by what I saw, so take the above with a grain of salt that I am biased by my anecdotal experiences with a woman who was a sadist.)
 

Adebisi

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I read three Bukowski novels in a row this month.

Hank knew how to treat a girl right.
 

Mist

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I'll try to dig a few up, but I remember reading a lot of literature on the domestic abuse that essentially stated that MOST domestic abuse is reciprocal. So, in order to fix the problem, you'd really need to address BOTH parties behavior, not just the one who got injured.
That's true for the marriage counselling level of abuse. Not the 'someone is going to end up dead or in the hospital' level of abuse.

The problem with any abuse statistics is that not all abuse is equal.
 

Mist

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When the stats don't back your opinion, cherry pick your stats.
Are you saying the stats don't back my opinion? Because I'm pretty I showed that they do, and I didn't have to use some absurd liberal/feminist slanted source to do it either.
 

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His point is that now you are arguing about kinds of abuse rather than abuse. It's an attempt to change the field of discussion and it's disingenuous.
 

Agraza

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The volume of reciprocity is virtually in sync. How much damage is done is a separate issue. He was discussing quantity, and you segued to quality.
 

Lejina

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You used 19 years old statistics. Women being an aggressor in matter of domestic violence is barely starting to be taken seriously and few men would still report it because of the social stigma associated with being assaulted by a woman. Current advertisements stating that domestic violence is strictly a man on woman thing sure don't help in this matter.

Honestly, how reliable do you think stats so old are?
 

mkopec

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That's true for the marriage counselling level of abuse. Not the 'someone is going to end up dead or in the hospital' level of abuse.

The problem with any abuse statistics is that not all abuse is equal.
Abuse is abuse. Or is the only abuse worth noting when someone dies or ends up in the hospital?