Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...

Flipmode_sl said:

Everyone here that said modern "black culture" is toxic is pretty much spot on. The thug mentality isn't compatible with civilized society, plain and simple. But the underlying assumption by people that all black people are thugs isn't right either. This attitude is what makes the blacks who try to integrate into society mad. Cops always look at you suspiciously, even if you follow the rules and obey the law. You always fit the "description". You try to be nice and help an old lady across the street, they will scream for help or yell at you to get away. The very color of black skin makes them fearful. People that cross the street when they see black people coming. Shit like that. I'm not talking about gang bangers. I'm talking about normally dressed blacks that act non threatening. Teachers shaming black students for wearing their hair in ways non whites don't (braids, cornrows).

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I think the real challenge here is that it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario for a lot of black folks. I've known a LOT who try and walk the delicate line of being ambitious and driven individuals while trying to stay connected to a culture their family wants them to relate to, yet they find distant and struggle to understand. You have an older brother who lives the thug life, and a younger one studying to be a chemical engineer. I can't say that I envy that position. To me, finding a struggle between self identity and cultural identity IS an actual burden that I'll never know. I simply don't have one and I imagine most Americans don't either. Sure, I have mementos and stories from long-dead relatives, but I relate to my upbringing and not to the culture of my ancestors. I would be laughed at, and rightly so, if I decided to just don Lederhosen and changed my name to Johannes despite having no functional connection to my heritage 5 generations later.

I'm not going to lie, at times I feel lost having no cultural identity. I have friends who are raised with some identity, they have relatives in their home country and grew up with the traditions and culture being passed down to them from their parents and grandparents. I find a certain emptiness to the commercialized American identity. Humans have a long history of story-telling and tradition; it just didn't survive for a lot of groups who came to America. Some, like so many blacks, have adapted theirs yet modernized it to distance themselves. I had a few Jewish friends who did this, too. Their parents would specifically segregate them from activities and force them to identify as a Jew publicly instead of just getting on with life. Like creating a big scene because pork is available at a community function. Just don't fucking eat it? I think it's a shame, frankly.

Voyce_sl said:

TweedleDee and Tweedle fuckwit, are the only two 'tards on the forum that support it. So no.


And Astro just being Astro, that's why he's our Astro-chuk-creep. (we own him, he's our slave. Specifically Tuco's sex slave.)

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lol, you know i gotta give the chuk seal of approval if this thread is going to be epic. and Mist, no pizza for you. and i make damned good pizza.
us eye-talians do it right.

Seananigans_sl said:

How about, just be a human, and accept that making decisions based onanythingis your natural right as a human, and making decisions based on race isperfectly valid, because -- GASP -- the races are fucking different on a biological level.

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They are, but it's not quite as pronounced as all that. You don't have "black aspirin" and "chinese aspirin" and "british aspirin" and "german aspirin" for example. Which you would have if what you were implying was true in the context you're using it in. Aspirin is just aspirin, it works on a general principle. Although the effectiveness of statins DOES vary quite a bit by race. It's basically a placebo unless you're a middle aged white dude of predominantly northern/western European descent. White people tend to not get sicklecell or thalassemia. We ALSO did not tend to suffer from the parasites/disorders which (supposedly) gave rise to those organic mutations.

Cellular principles are simplicity itself. The most obvious and least difficult solution to the basic problem of integrity and self-sustainability. But the possible minute variations based on those principles is quite wide. And it has been a very, very long time to grow in since that ancient genius virus decided it would do better if it created a membrane around itself. All of which makes a difference as we achieve the level of mastery to willfully regulate our tissues in increasingly subtle, complex, specific, and targeted ways.

Where the differences become pronounced is at asociologicallevel. And sometimes that relates to a specific biological trend which is adopted for a specific habitat but more often (vastly more often, we're talking 99% of the time) it does not.

The race lines we draw are mainly arbitrary from abiologicalperspective. They don't relate tous, those lines relate togeography. And as such they are becoming increasingly anachronistic.

There's more difference between a white man and a white woman than there are between a white man and a black man, if that's the perspective you want to use. It's just not a good tool to use in that way. In other ways maybe it's applicable.

This thread sucks.

Seananigans with the "back to Africa" movement may have won the thread.