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Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...
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What if she just feels hurt because she didn't get the result she's looking for, so she's doubling down? See: Tanoomba
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If there is not nearly enough evidence to convict, yes, it shouldn't go to trial. How can you not comprehend that?
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Ohh, but she sure tried, didnt she?
In the mean time, the por sap is thought of as a rapist, probably expelled from school, or lost his job and life ruined.
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The poor abuser that took advantage of a girl until she finally developed the emotional capacity to realize she was being abused. Boo fucking woo.
And he wasn't expelled, that's the whole point of her protest.
Your arguments still boil down "it's okay to abuse people as long as you can get away with it."
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Unless he did something against the law, it is ok. He's not even getting away with anything, it's perfectly legal.
So are we reading here what you really want is to legislate how people treat each other in relationships?
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Your reply to me earlier indicated otherwise. You said that the behavior I described was anti-social, and that by "defending" it we were being apologists for sociopaths. No, we are merely not willing to give legal institutional power to someone unless the crime is severe. Mainly because of various historical examples of how easily society can go on witch hunts, or quickly abuse the power, when the burden of proof is low.
If we are talking about men who essentially tell women "do this or I'll beat you"; things are different. But the story wasn't about this at all, it wasn't even close to this. But even in this case? Did the woman continually invited this man over even when she was not in danger? Did she act adoringly towards him in most public circumstances? Was she financially tied to him which forced her to be subject to him? These things Mist? All add context, and you can't decide on a case like this without that.
fanaskin
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it's also highly questionable to slander people in the court of public opinion like that, or should I say have it be "signal boosted" by the media or even an appearance at the state of the union when it's starting to look like she straight up lied. she said she would annotate all the post breakup communications then recanted and it seems fairly obvious why because it makes her look like a nut and there was no explanation, she's is starting to look like a sociopathic loon.
this whole idea that you can act like nothing was wrong after an "incident", ie provide no feedback to a person that you believe something was wrong, then months later start accusing them of doing something wrong and not acknowledge your own actions is completely batshit insane.
besides it's kinda obvious she lied, she said he anally raped her while beating her, then look at the communications the next weeks, they were all happy and cheery and stuff, nobody that isn't a liar or a nutbag would act that way.
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To me it sounds like he figured out she was off the reasonable scale of hot vs crazy so he gout out. And now she is crying foul, where there was no foul. And even if there was foul and he was shitty to her, its one thing to accuse someone of being a shitty boyfriend, its another to cry rape.
fanaskin
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no she's just excusing sociopathic behavoir cause it's a girl, and girls need protection from men cause they're equal or something.
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A clever sociopath knows how to get away with abusing people. How do you protect society from these people?
You guys keep talking specifically in terms of this case, which I already said was bullshit, rather than engaging in a general argument.
fanaskin
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If you're that fucked up in the head you shouldn't be able to unquestionably accuse anybody of anything even just the "court of public opinion", at that point only third party verification should be seen as remotely reliable.
or are you big on self diagnosis now?
or are you big on self diagnosis now?
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Are we talking about abuse that is actually rape or assault? Or just being a shitty emotionally abusive person?
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No, you're over simplifying to appeal to emotion. What people are saying is that women have the potential for abuse too (Either due to mental illness or due to emotional trauma from separation). In your scenario, you want to give women more power. This would potentially give abusers power, or people who are emotionally unreasonable due to a break up (Again, men can be this way too--which is why I'd never give a man power either, and why I thought it was wrong for husbands to have extra powers in the 50's).
What we should do is NOT patronize women, and instead offer them resources, education and counseling on how to empower themselves so they can stop most of this non-threatening abuse. Then we can solve it WITHOUT giving anyone undue power with which they can potentially abuse. The only time the "state" should get involved is when the person is powerless to stop the abuse themselves (IE it's violent or the threat of violence). I'm sorry, Mist--but some douche bag who is invited over willingly and then is rougher than she likes, but is subsequently asked to do it again? Is not a state matter. That is up to HER to reject that man. (And I say this because you said this...)
What if she's not a grownup? What if he targeted her specifically because he, as a sociopath, identified her as not being emotionally mature enough to engage in a healthy reciprocal sexual relationship and knew he would be able to get away with abusing her for quite some time? Do we need to redefine adulthood in response to society wide changes in maturity level?
The solution here is not to give emotionally immature women institutional power. The issue here should be to empower those women in ways that they can reach an emotional maturity which won't allow these men to prey upon them. The only time the state should intervene, or the school even--is when a woman feels powerless to say no due to threat or physical coercion. (And in BOTH those cases, there should not be evidence of them saying yes through fucking text messages, illustrating they were obviously under no imminent threat)
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mist doesn't even know, it's just a vague enough word to continue her train of thought
emotionally potent oversimplifications are what you use when you just want people to agree with you.
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Every single thing you guys say in this thread, while in theory says 'we must protect the rights of the accused at all costs' in practice means 'women should just get used to being abused and their abusers getting away with it.' And that's just a calculated risk of knowing which side of the equation you're more likely to be on. It's not brave.
I specifically said this girl's claim of rape is bullshit.
EDIT: Not worth it.
Right, which is why at the start of this conversation I tried to move it off this young woman's clearly bullshit case onto a different and hypothetical case.
I specifically said this girl's claim of rape is bullshit.
EDIT: Not worth it.