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Absolutely. The amount of emotional trauma involved in pursuing a rape case is almost always equal or worse emotional trauma than the act itself.
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Dyvim
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Uh, duh, EXACTLY. Women were literally property and had absolutely no control governance of their own sexuality most of recorded history. The only reason rape was even a crime was so that men could charge other men for raping their own daughters and wives, aka damaging their property. The concept of a woman having any real right to say no to anyone is relatively NEW given the scope of the history of human civilization.
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This is exactly like arguing with investment bankers about consumer financial protection. They're way more likely to be accused of taking advantage of someone (guilty or otherwise) than they are of being taken advantage of, therefore ipso facto, there shouldn't be any regulations ever.
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Throughout almost all of human history things have sucked for almost everyone almost everywhere. That's not special or gendered.
Fun history fact of the day - If you raped another man's wife in ancient Greece it was regarded as a property crime, sure. Seduce another man's wife and the penalty was death.
And I always like bringing up the Woman's Petition Against Coffee in the 1600s. A group of women got together and wrote the King of England that their husbands were spending all their time in coffee houses and couldn't get it up in the bedroom. Literally. For some reason these pieces of property felt completely justified in telling the King they weren't getting fucked enough for their liking.
http://www.stoa.org/diotima/essays/rape_harris.shtml
Shit, maybe history is complicated?
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Okay, fine.
Let's reframe this entire argument.
Is it safe to say that most men would like women to more freely engage in sexual activity with them?
Creating a system in which women feel more safe having sexual relations will actually encourage women to have MORE sex.
By protecting the people who want to abuse women, you're actually making women feel less safe about sex, and therefore acting to discourage them from engaging in sexual activity. Assuming you're not an abuser, you're hurting yourself to the benefit of the abusers.
Denaut
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Except that innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable is thefundamentalprotection of any free and fair justice system against government abuse ofanyof its citizens. This is something that protects all men and all woman against abuse of the legal system by those in power, whomever they might be, for whatever reason. This includes whatever fashionable accusation (communist, rapist) that can be wielded by one aggrieved party against another. It is one of the many bulwarks built against despotism of any modern Democratic country.
What an utterly false comparison.
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Regardless, our current legal system is based on centuries of common law in which women's sexuality was not considered to be under their own control. Some of that common law has religious origins, but even if you got rid of religion, it wouldn't change how the current legal system is set up.
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This isn't actually true, one of the most common goals in tribal raiding is/was to capture women.
Phazael
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I know you probably don't realize this, with your awesome liberal arts degree, collection of cats, and cohabitation with your mother, but it is actually safer for a woman to engage in an active sex life in modern America than it has been at any other point in time or place in the history of the world. Even in the free love 60s, the stigma of being free with your sexuality as a woman was immense.
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If you can come up with some examples in the current US justice system that makes it particularly biased against rape accusers due to women not having any influence on them in the past, could you mention them? Things that are currently having a biased effect against them.
If you come down to some specifics, maybe we can actually talk about something and not just Mist all over the place.
If you come down to some specifics, maybe we can actually talk about something and not just Mist all over the place.
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I am trying to understand what you are suggesting we do. Do we make a special exception for accusations of rape? A special court or a special set of tort (such as civil vs criminal) to handle such matters. Do we lower the burden of proof against the accused for certain crimes but not others?
You don't see a problem with this?
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Phazael
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After they started cultivating crops and domesticating animals and figured out how the passing of traits worked, sure.
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Modern example: Iraq under Saddam vs Iraq under ISIS/ISIL, how have women's freedoms changed in even that extreme society? Current US with the Teabagger religious kooks taking over local governments abolishing abortion rights and quashing equal pay legislation? It ALWAYS comes back to religion. Only in secular societies do women have ANY chance to be truly equal.