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Mist, your posts are so stupid they are literally raping me. Please stop before I have to carry my computer around on my shoulders all day as a protest.
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Lithose
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And, that is the meat of the issue Mist. The whole concept of there being an imminent threat of physical coercion is cast in serious doubt when we have evidence showing someone consistently inviting the suspect over for more sex. And acting emotionally normal, and loving after an allegedly shocking encounter.
If you're instead saying "If a girl was raped, and then tried to hide it, but was quiet and emotionally withdrawn...what would you do?!?"--Well, I'd consider that differently. Context matters, Mist. There are countless cases of women straight up murdering their husbands and getting off because they could prove abuse DESPITE staying with him. It's not half as hard as you're making it out to be to get the state on your side in that case.
But yes, in a COLLEGE, where neither party is financially dependent on the other? And you are littered with resources that will help you if you have even the smallest bit of discomfort about something? There is a bit more of a stringent expectation that you should, umm--I don't know, not pull the guy back into your room if you didn't enjoy it. Or some other evidence that this was as savage and abusive as you say.
Haast
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Mist, you are solving a problem that isn't a problem. Bad experiences aren't fun, but you learn from them.
For instance, if a woman does things she finds unpleasant for the sake of a partner and later finds out her partner was a d-bag that didn't really care about her, that is a learning opportunity. From this, she should learn to value herself more, know her boundaries and stick to them, seek partners that take her feelings into account and work to judge character better. Unless the guy was doing something she specifically said "no" to and used force or threats to do it anyway, it isn't rape, assault or really even abuse. It is what shechoseto tolerate pursuing what shewanted. Emphasis on it beingher choice.
Frankly, it seems to me you are taking away agency from these women. They have choices to make, they choose poorly, and you want to patronize them by unjustly punishing the person who hurt their feelings, but never took away their ability to choose. Hurt feelings teach important lessons. Taking away consequences encourages bad or stupid behavior.
For instance, if a woman does things she finds unpleasant for the sake of a partner and later finds out her partner was a d-bag that didn't really care about her, that is a learning opportunity. From this, she should learn to value herself more, know her boundaries and stick to them, seek partners that take her feelings into account and work to judge character better. Unless the guy was doing something she specifically said "no" to and used force or threats to do it anyway, it isn't rape, assault or really even abuse. It is what shechoseto tolerate pursuing what shewanted. Emphasis on it beingher choice.
Frankly, it seems to me you are taking away agency from these women. They have choices to make, they choose poorly, and you want to patronize them by unjustly punishing the person who hurt their feelings, but never took away their ability to choose. Hurt feelings teach important lessons. Taking away consequences encourages bad or stupid behavior.
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There being a non-trivial amount of men out there brutally abusing women is an easily accepted fact, but the notion that a non-trivial amount of women would lie out of spite or personal gain is fantasy land.
That about sum up what we're dealing with here?
That about sum up what we're dealing with here?
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What this says to me is "I too would take advantage of a vulnerable person to get something that I want, therefore I think we should keep protecting the rights of abusers and blaming the victim."
Cad
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Give us some facts so we know what you're even arguing. "Abusive" isn't specific enough. What type of conduct are you referring to?
Denaut
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That is because you are jumping all over the place. Outline the scenario where you think the system is failing, then describe where and why so we can converse from a common point.
Cad
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I never once said that women don't lie, or that women aren't crazy and make shit up, or anything like that, because those are absurd arguments. What I proposed is a thought experiment for setting up a system that protects as many people as possible on either side of the equation, because I think the current system is deficient.
What I got from Cad was "more proof is needed" which is an inadvertent admission that more "yes means yes" and sex contracts is a good system.
Big Phoenix
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No one here is arguing in relation to specifically this case. Also this case isnt unique once and a lifetime case either, this is common(id put money on the vast majority of college rape cases being nothing more than he said she said) in college and and the rest of the world.
When youre dealing with crimes that;
1) Can leave very little if any evidence
2) Have profound impact on just being a suspect, let alone even being charged
3) People lie about the crime happeningALL THE TIME
What exactly do you expect? Fact is you can very easily ruins someones life(as much as rape can ruin someones life...) by just even suspecting someone of rape.
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LOL this shit goes both ways, sister. How many women out there taking advantage of vulnerable good men to get what they want? How many women are mentally and even physically abusing men? I know two in my immediate family. Poor snowflakes, yeah right.
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Again, works both ways. You can ruin your own life by accusing someone who's 100% beyond any doubt guilty of rape.
Haast
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Actually, it is counter to my nature. I've been on the wrong end of bad situations, and had to learn a lesson from them. But those lessons were valuable. If someone coddled me every time something bad happened to me, I would never learn to grow a thicker skin, stand up for myself, value my time, choose better friends and SOs, etc.
Dealing with adversity is a valuable skill.
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And the difference is, I wouldn't want a system set up to defend those women.
Arbitrary
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Allowing for a legal recourse is not coddling. Do you think rape victims WANT to be on the stand having everything they've ever done in their life called into question?
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