Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...

Mist_sl said:

Again, works both ways. You can ruin your own life by accusing someone who's 100% beyond any doubt guilty of rape.

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So I can accuse an innocent of rape and collect money selling falsehoods and be considered a hero by publications such as Rollong Stone? What a horrible way to ruin my life. Sign me up.

Phazael_sl said:

After they started cultivating crops and domesticating animals and figured out how the passing of traits worked, sure.

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This is actually covered in a book I recently read. Women were coveted by men (by instinct I assume) and kidnapped in tribal raiding long before humans understood how reproduction worked. It is also common to do so in the few modern tribal hunter-gatherer societies that still exist. That men didn't steal and rape women before the advent of civilization is part of the myth of thenoble savage.

If facebook posts the next day flirting and trying to hook up again aren't evidence a rape didn't happen, I doubt a contract saying you consent to anything would be meaningful either.

Also, even if someone consented in a form, surely they would still have the right to, at any time, change their mind. So we would still be at a "he said, she said".

Mist_sl said:

I was just fishing for ideas. At no point did I suggest lowering the burden of proof Cad said women need to get more proof of consent or lack of consent.

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Except you are saying that. The current standard of proof to be convicted of a crime is beyond a reasonable doubt. This is a purposefully high standard

Thought experiment for the thread:

If "yes means yes" laws and sex contract apps significantly lowered the potential 'cost' of sex for women and made them more likely to have sex with you, would you still think they're stupid? Or, even if you still think they're stupid, would you give a shit as long as you were getting more sex?

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Ok, let's play this game. The "yes means yes" laws imply that every sex act requires documentation of consent for every sex act. But... how many sex acts a day occur? Hmm... might be something we can estimate.

I grabbed some admittedly old statistics off the interwebs. According to Durex adult Americans have sex an average of 132 times per year and as of 2012 there are 235,248,000 whom are 18 or older. A little mathy math says that is about31 BILLIONconsent forms that need to be filled out per year. Does that sound reasonable? I understand that at a documented rate of 0.4 per 1000 95k rapes in one year is still quite high, but to put that in perspective only about 0.0003% (3x10^-6) of sex acts in 2012 were non-consensual.

Does a "yes means yes" policy make sense given what we can estimate about sexual encounters in the united states?

Mist_sl said:

So what's your solution?

Problem: A significant number of women still feel, despite the fact that rape incidents are down, that the system itself is stacked against them if the do get raped. A significant number of parents think their children are being sent into unsafe environments on college campuses. This is such a large problem specifically because the world HAS become so much safer, because of how safe young people are, they're not being prepared for the fact that there are people out there who are going to want to hurt them. Every year, college kids are being sent off less mature in this, and many other regards, than the year before.

And I'm going to agree with you guys that the current crop of regulations on campuses that are stacked against young men are NOT good. But I also think 'deal with it' is not a good counter solution.

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We could realize that just 30 years ago people were deluded enough to believe a satanic cult was raping their children in daycare centers mainly based on the ramblings of one mentally ill woman. We could remember that we burned women because some people were scared of things they had NEVER even seen before but were SURE those tings were a problem. And we could remember we've ruined the careers of people, and killed millions, because we were scared of communists--and we even had real proof people who called themselves communists were BAD.

After we remember those things, we could deal with the culture of fear that surrounds things like this and not try to turn bad sexual encounters, into a fucking witch hunt just because the media needs a story, and a certain small demographic of people were genuinely victimized. We could teach people that sometimes lightning strikes in this world; people will get hurt in this world. Don't be like a fucking caveman though and believe that lightning is actually god being pissy, and have to come up with a whole system to avoid god being pissy to solve a problem that is NOT A PROBLEM to start with (See? God in this bad metaphor is the dillution of rape into a catch all boogy man that includes my boyfriend was just kind of a douche in bed, but my Gender Studies teacher convinced me him not going down on me was rape.).

People complaining Mist? Isnot evidence of a substantial problem that automatically requires action, at most it's a precursor toward data collection. I don't know how many examples in human history of people losing their shit needs to happen to convince you that people are irrationally motivated by fear and easily manipulated.

Mist_sl said:

Problem: A significant number of women still feel, despite the fact that rape incidents are down, that the system itself is stacked against them if the do get raped. A significant number of parents think their children are being sent into unsafe environments on college campuses. This is such a large problem specifically because the world HAS become so much safer, because of how safe young people are, they're not being prepared for the fact that there are people out there who are going to want to hurt them. Every year, college kids are being sent off less mature in this, and many other regards, than the year before.

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Well, we could start by not scare-mongering the shit out of every girl (and their parents) that wants to go to college. So stop throwing around wildly inflated sexual assault statistics and the like.

Mist_sl said:

So what's your solution?

Problem: A significant number of women still feel, despite the fact that rape incidents are down, that the system itself is stacked against them if the do get raped. A significant number of parents think their children are being sent into unsafe environments on college campuses. This is such a large problem specifically because the world HAS become so much safer, because of how safe young people are, they're not being prepared for the fact that there are people out there who are going to want to hurt them. Every year, college kids are being sent off less mature in this, and many other regards, than the year before.

And I'm going to agree with you guys that the current crop of regulations on campuses that are stacked against young men are NOT good. But I also think 'deal with it' is not a good counter solution.

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The solution is to stop the media circus that peddles false information and generates an environment of fear unfounded in reality to make money. Americans are very safe, American women are very safe, and American woman aremore safeat college than not at college. This is reality. You can't solve a non-problem as there is nothing to solve.

Ha, epic triple-simulpost with the same solution.

Mist_sl said:

For the purposes of this thought experiment, let's just talk about college campuses, or maybe people between the ages of 18 and 21.

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The rate goes up for those ages, but down for being on college campuses. Are you going to dig up the numbers and crunch them or do I have to?

Denaut_sl said:

Are you going to dig up the numbers and crunch them or do I have to?

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"Use the feels Denaut."

How many more pages of misting do we have to get through before she claims she was "trolololoing", just like every time she goes full retard?

I simply will not buy into your premise now that accurately reporting statistics might make the problem worse.

While you may find the "acceptable levels of rape" statement silly, the fact is that we as a society have decided that it is better to make the justice system as neutral as possible. This leads to many criminals getting away with their crimes. This means that yes, as a society, we have decided that there are acceptable levels of murder, assault, robbery, etc. This is counterbalanced by making people feel like they won't be arrested and convicted unfairly.