Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...

Mist_sl said:

If I was better at arguing I'd maybe have made a more effective case for why it takes a hyperbolic stance to get people out of the mental rut they're stuck in.

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If you really cared about the issue, you would take a reasonable stance and actually present an idea or a way to fix it. This could lead to a useful discussion.

Instead though, you aren't even taking a hyperbolic stance. You are just randomly calling people rape apologists and openly admit you don't have any idea to fix it and aren't even willing to take a stand for anything.

A discussion requires that you actually put forward an idea. Not accuse everyone of defending sociopaths.

Also, yes, you did straight up call people rape apologists and defenders of sociopaths. Nice to see you backing off that "mental rut" you were in.

Mist_sl said:

But I never said that. I just wanted people to step outside their current perspective and see how we're not doing right by real, under-reported rape victims because we're afraid of these over-reported fake rape accusations. If I was better at arguing I'd maybe have made a more effective case for why it takes a hyperbolic stance to get people out of the mental rut they're stuck in.

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There's that telltale social science arrogance and complete lack of self awareness I've come to know so well! Instead of just posting your thoughts plainly and in good faith, you've taken it upon yourself toteachus and get us out of our "mental rut." Would that we could obtain enlightenment through simple exposure to sound argument! But alas, wise Mist must lead us to the truth, tricking us into following along the way. It is for our own good.

Fuck you. Again.

Mist_sl said:

Cognitive biases are very real things.

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We know. Your moronic "get rid of due process and the burden of proof" suggestion is the result of one.

You may dance around this like an electron cloud all you want Mist but I don't think you are doing yourself any favors. Nut up. Gnash your teeth and bite the recess lady's breast.

She should bite the pillow, 'cause she's getting raped in this thread! Ayyyyyy

Mist_sl said:

I also think you don't appreciate the difference between an argument and a discussion. An argument requires a stated position. A discussion doesn't really require you taking a position, you can just explore the entire possibility space of the issue.

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Allow me to enlighten them...

Mist_sl said:

Cognitive biases are very real things.

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Mist_sl said:

Despite the fact that rapes are down, there's still a LOT of them compared to other severe crimes. Our society is still doing a grave disservice to actual rape victims in many ways, and it's for a bunch of reasons.

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I love numbers, so this statement piqued my interest. I read this and I was generally curious where rape falls on the "compared to other crimes" scale because this is something we can actually look at. Also I live half my like in spreadsheets anyway so I can use them pretty quickly.

To the Numbers!
First I pulled theFBI crime statisticsas a baseline. The crimes are listed by severity left to right, violent crimes in hot colors and property crimes in cool.



Well, that is totally unreadable. It probably follows a power law distribution because nearly all things, from wars to earthquakes, that have both a severity and an incidence rate follow one.



Hot diggity, well look at that. Rape is right where we would expect it to be based on everything we know about the world. It is more severe than murder, but less than robbery or assault, and it falls right in between the two crimes.

Ok, but we all know rape is under-reported, and I don't think anyone here would dispute that. So let's add in theestimated incidence rate from NCVS.



Ok, yea, rape is under-reported. But it still falls where we would expect it to based on a power law distribution. The NCVS's number might not be perfect, but they make sense.

Now you might say, but the CDC says that the NCVS underestimates rapes? Ok, let's roll that in. I grabbed the number fromhereand used the 12 month rate, and converted the percent to per 100k to match. This isn't exactly the same, but it is the closest I could get based on the study.



Wtf? The CDC puts estimated rapes at the same rate as petty larceny? It makes absolutely no sense that women are raped at the same rate their iPhones are pinched. What is with this study?



Oh. It is full of fucking shit. You see, men are raped so little in a 12 month period that they don't even show up on the stats. But they are "made to penetrate" at the same absurdly high rate that women are raped. But that isn't rape. You see, it isn't rape because we didn't put it in the rape column. Because men.

Mist_sl said:

Most crimes happen to poor people in poor neighborhoods. Of the subset of crimes that middle class+ white girls actually have to worry about happening to them, rape is pretty up there.

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POWERFUL DATA THERE jfc

Isn't that white privilege, only having to worry about a little rape once in a while instead of being beheaded in the killing fields of Africa or burned to death/stoned in the Middle East or subjected to conspiratorial institutionalized suppression of economic development as a non-white girl in the US?