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If most rape is done to people you already know, whats the point in going out and meeting more people, when you can just rape the ones you already know?

Why would you need to join a new dating pool to find someone to rape, if you can just rape the friends you've already got?
 
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hodj_sl said:
If most rape is done to people you already know, whats the point in going out and meeting more people, when you can just rape the ones you already know?

Why would you need to join a new dating pool to find someone to rape, if you can just rape the friends you've already got?
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Are you really this fucking dense? Like seriously? Do you have any concept of how predators operate at all? Predators are constantly looking for new vulnerable victims to victimize.

It's this kind of attitude and general display of ignorance that's perpetuating the 'rape crisis' moral panic. While rapes are most likely going down in general, the absolute dismissive attitude and general lack of awareness towards rapes and rape victims is reaching absurd proportions due in part to the media's irresponsible reporting of obviously fake rape claims.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Are you really this fucking dense? Like seriously? Do you have any concept of how predators operate at all? Predators are constantly looking for new vulnerable victims to victimize.

It's this kind of attitude and general display of ignorance that's perpetuating the 'rape crisis' moral panic. While rapes are most likely going down in general, the absolute dismissive attitude and general lack of awareness towards rapes and rape victims is reaching absurd proportions due in part to the media's irresponsible reporting of obviously fake rape claims.
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But if predators are constantly looking for new rape victims, then why are most rapes done to people that they already know?
 
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hodj_sl said:
But if predators are constantly looking for new rape victims, then why are most rapes done to people that they already know?
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Are you drunk right now or just stupid? The general modus operandi of any kind of predator, but especially a sexual predator, is to identify a victim, get close to the victim, isolate them from any social support structure they have, then take advantage of them as long as you can get away with, then repeat.

College freshmen are especially vulnerable because they generally don't have local social support structures like friends or family or general self-confidence, and they're eager to meet new people to try to overcome that. The predator uses the victim's eagerness to establish themselves in a new social setting and turns that back against the victim.

Further, there's almost no incentive for a freshman girl to report a rape if they're NOT a giant attention whore. They're going to isolate themselves from potential new social contacts by doing so. Also, if they report, their family is going to find out, and depending on the specifics of their family and culture that could result in being shamed or outcast, or not trusted to manage their own life, or being pulled out of school completely by 'concerned' parents. If they're not an attention whore, any satisfaction they might get from seeing justice done to the perpetrator is massively outweighed by the sum total of the costs to themselves, and any attention brought to themselves would be unwanted. Skilled sexual predators know all of these things.
 
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Gee, where do all these rapey guys in college find the time to do all this, all while engaging in their studies. I mean they have to go to frat parties, find dumb lonely freshmen girls, isolate them away from all their friends and families, give them a good raping, all the while maintaining a 2.0 GPA.

Wait, are all male college rapists Communications majors? I bet thats it, right?

I don't think any of this stuff happens that you're saying, the majority of college "rapes" are guy and girl hook up at a party where they're both waayyy too intoxicated to give proper consent, and that ends up getting reported as rape and becomes yet another statistic.

And seriously? There's no incentive for a girl to report rape? Besides having the college sanction her carrying around a mattress for two years as a for credit art project, right?

Yes, the modus operandi of most sexual predators is to get close, isolate, and rape away.

No, I don't think this scenario you're speaking about happens very often in college. Why would the rapist let the girl continue to go to school, in this situation? Why wouldn't they be living together? I think this scenario happens a lot more out of college, where its easier to isolate someone, especially if she's NOT a student, has no career aspirations/jobs/internships/groups of like minded and near age friends to hang out with. That's where the majority of the predator isolation and rape away cases probably occur. That's when the opportunity exists.

How do you isolate someone without....isolating them?

killed sexual predators know all of these things.
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And you seem to be an expert, so now you've got me wondering if you have a penis and are actually speaking from personal experience, hence why its so hard for us to get you to admit you're wrong...

Is this you, Mist? Are you trying to put your finger in a new acquitances butt as we speak?

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I alluded to this before. If you're the type of person that's going to lie about being raped, you're going to try to get the maximum amount of CHIPOTLE BURRITOS.

That Brown study (Carey et al) that's been thrown aroundreadily admits that its scope is limited to a non-representative single-university sample. Of the overall population, only 483 respondents (less than 26% of the female population) received the $50 survey fee distributed as a $20 up front fee and three $10 fees for three additional QQ sessions with the team. Carey admits that the sample size is highly self-selected and that 18% of those 483 claim to have been raped before they even arrived at college---maybe they noticed the other girls who said they hadn't walk out without that gift certificate.

Carey even admits that her goal is to "bring attention" to the crisis of this "rape epidemic" which, as we've seen by every metric that fucking matters, doesn't exist.



But really, the only data that matters is "College Freshman", "$50 bucks" and "Chipotle Burritos". Having been a college freshman once, and having eaten chipotle burritos, I know EXACTLY what drove those girls to dig deep and peel back those rape scars on three separate "sessions".
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Along with all the other dumb, incorrect things I already identified in this post, you also completely made up the part about it being 'highly self-selected' since there's absolutely no way that's true given the methodology they used.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Seriously, you guys are too uneducated to even be having this discussion with. While I admit my theory is a thin 'connect the dots to fit the narrative' theory, your 'points' are so absolutely moronic and bordering on total nonsense.
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hodj_sl said:
No, I don't think this scenario you're speaking about happens very often in college. Why would the rapist let the girl continue to go to school, in this situation? Why wouldn't they be living together? I think this scenario happens a lot more out of college, where its easier to isolate someone, especially if she's NOT a student, has no career aspirations/jobs/internships/groups of like minded and near age friends to hang out with. That's where the majority of the predator isolation and rape away cases probably occur. That's when the opportunity exists.
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Source plz.

The difference between me and you is that I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about. I took all of the social work courses and student counseling training for dealing with this shit, and have had both friends and students who lived through this over the course of my adult life. While I admit to being personally pretty far removed from this stuff these days, I was a lot more 'normal' before the flood and especially before my mom tried to kill herself and even more especially before she got sick, so it's not completely foreign to me.

Whereas you very clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and are just totally making shit up. You guys keep throwing Mattress Girl around as an example of what a REAL rape victim would do, when that's a nonsensical example since it's very very clear that she's NOT a real rape victim. So using her as an example of the cost/benefit to a REAL rape victim is the definition of a self-defeating argument.

Every argument against my points has been filled with terrible reading comprehension, terrible understanding of the subject, and the same logically inconsistent circular arguments. This entire discussion is a complete waste of my time.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Every argument against my points has been filled with terrible reading comprehension, terrible understanding of the subject, and the same logically inconsistent circular arguments. This entire discussion is a complete waste of my time.
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No, see, you're the one with the claim.

I've simply said I don't believe you.

You need to demonstrate that more rapey guys are staying in college and joining the college dating game than are leaving to go beat off to hentai and play video games. You're the one with the claim that college rapists follow the isolate and rape motif, over the "Oops we got too drunk to consent properly" motif.

Not I.
 
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Mist resorting to Tanoomba's tactics. Hahaha.

Maybe it's time to just 'shaw yourself like he did, Mist.
 
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I'm NOT talking about sex under the influence of drugs or alcohol. That's you (and basically everyone else here) that keeps conflating that. I'm not going to argue about that stuff because it's a waste of time. While I don't think schools should be allowing certain student organizations to hold on-campus parties with drugs and alcohol in violation of the law and campus policies, I have absolutely no pity or sympathy for anyone who willingly gets themselves intoxicated in the company of people they do not trust. It only serves to muddy the issue for the actual legitimate victims.
 
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Another factoid from the above link

Students living in sorority houses and on-campus dormitories are 3 times and 1.4 times (respectively) more likely to be raped than students living off-campus (5)
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Seems to rebut the claim these people are being targeted and isolated
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I'm NOT talking about sex under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
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But that's the vast vast majority of college age rapes.

90% of acquaintance rapes involve alcohol (10)
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90 fucking percent!

As per Campus Safety Magazines rape statistics. Why are you trying to ignore the vast body of rapes to focus on a select few that don't fit the normative mode?

Why are you engaging in the sharpshooter fallacy to justify your worldview?
 
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hodj_sl said:
Another factoid from the above link



Seems to rebut the claim these people are being targeted and isolated
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ANOTHER FACTOID FROM THE ABOVE LINK:

"Between 20% and 25% of women will experience a completed and/or attempted rape during their college career (1)
More than half of raped college women tell no one of their victimization (1)"

LETS LINK SHIT AS 'PROOF' THEN IGNORE THE STUFF THAT'S INCONVENIENT TO OUR ARGUMENT.

Seriously, you guys are fucking morons.
 
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That doesn't rebut anything I've pointed out to you.

You're literally engaging in cherry picking and sharpshooter fallacies to ignore the actual argument being made.

In fact its a complete non sequitor, because I've never argued that large proportions of rapes aren't reported. That's completely tangential to the debate we're having over the METHODOLOGY of the rape cases and how they occur.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Another factoid from the above link



Seems to rebut the claim these people are being targeted and isolated


But that's the vast vast majority of college age rapes.



90 fucking percent!

As per Campus Safety Magazines rape statistics. Why are you trying to ignore the vast body of rapes to focus on a select few that don't fit the normative mode?

Why are you engaging in the sharpshooter fallacy to justify your worldview?
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What you are totally missing is that it's possible, and actual more likely, for someone who is victimized via intoxication to also be a victim of forcible rape, either from the same perpetrator or another one.

And you're the one that's just cherry picking random fucking stats off the internet now, to prove your complete lack of a point.
 
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