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khorum · May 23, 2015

What's wrong with theFBI's UCR numbers again? That's collected from national arrest records and it tracks pretty muchIDENTICALLYto the NCVS.

I might be a high-functioning sociopath but I don't understand how the FBI's collected UCR crime incident reports are "feels-data".

Mario Speedwagon · May 23, 2015

Big Phoenix_sl said:
You realize thats kind of the problem with "rape", right? Some crimes are extremely evident and require no analysis, like finding a body in the street riddled with bullet holes, that would obviously be a murder.

Rape? Whats rape? Being intoxicated while having sex? Being pressured into having sex? Having sex then regretting or thinking you were coerced? Tricking someone into having sex? Physically forcing someone to have sex? What about rough sex?

PiV sex is always rape.

khorum · May 23, 2015

Well no, the Holder DOJ actually REDEFINED rape for last year's NCVS to include non-violent and non-coercive sexual assault! Then they bumped the median age down to 12 years old. They thought the resulting spike would net the sort of RAPE EPIDEMIC CRISIS that would justify the sort of self-hating penis-pogrom the bluehairs want to wage so very badly.

But nope, the Rape Epidemic doesn't exist. Not under the NCVS's "feels-data", not under theFBI's collated national arrest records in the UCRand not even under the UNDOC crime report index.

Basically it's never been safer to be a woman than now and women in college campuses are the safest of all.

Mist · May 23, 2015

khorum_sl said:
What's wrong with theFBI's UCR numbers again? That's collected from national arrest records and it tracks pretty muchIDENTICALLYto the NCVS.

I might be a high-functioning sociopath but I don't understand how the FBI's collected UCR crime incident reports are "feels-data".

Right, but it is arrests.

It doesn't count people who didn't report to the police. It doesn't count people who reported to police but were convinced by police or someone else not to file a criminal complaint. There's all sorts of third variable problems.

You have absolutely no way of knowing the real parameter using this data. Neither do I.

hodj · May 23, 2015

If so many rapes go unreported, Mist, then there is literally no way to know what the real number of rapes are per year.

So the absolutist argument here is meaningless. All we can go on is the data we have, not the data we imagine exists out there somewhere in the ether.

Palum · May 23, 2015

hodj_sl said:
If so many rapes go unreported, Mist, then there is literally no way to know what the real number of rapes are per year.

So the absolutist argument here is meaningless. All we can go on is the data we have, not the data we imagine exists out there somewhere in the ether.

Yea but her feels tho...

Mario Speedwagon · May 23, 2015

Haven't you guys been on a college campus lately? People are drinking and having fun there! Every drink results in at least one rape. Every frat house is fully equipped with a state of the art rape dungeon paid for by the university! It's an epidemic!

hodj · May 23, 2015

Palum_sl said:
Yea but her feels tho...

I feel you've just forum raped me, and as a result, have contributed to a net lowering of the income equality gap of the United States of America in a tiny, but non-trivial amount.

I salute your efforts at helping fix our national economic crisis, one deeply penetrating forum penis post at a time.

Mist · May 23, 2015

Dr. Mario Speedwagon_sl said:
Haven't you guys been on a college campus lately? People are drinking and having fun there! Every drink results in at least one rape. Every frat house is fully equipped with a state of the art rape dungeon paid for by the university! It's an epidemic!

If you want my actual theory, it's a confluence of things creating the perception of a rape crisis.

First, tons of boys have left the college dating market. Up to 70% possibly. Whether this is because of porn, video games, or just because girls are dumb annoying cunts, it doesn't really matter. It's doubtful that a proportional number of rapey guys have left the dating market in the same period. So of the total pool of boys remaining in the dating market, a larger percent of them are rapey. So the odds that the guy you're talking to on a date or at a party is rapey has gone up.

Now couple this with a general increase in naivety among girls entering college, and lax enforcement of college alcohol policies, and you have an environment where the rapey guys have easier access to potential victims and even less competition from other guys. This creates an overall mistaken impression that the college scene is more dangerous than ever, due to a higher signal ratio of rapey guys.

khorum · May 23, 2015

Or the girls could be lying about being raped.

Where, oh where could we find instances of that?

Mist · May 23, 2015

khorum_sl said:
Or the girls could be lying about being raped.

Where, oh where could we find instances of that?

If you're the type of person that's going to lie about being raped, you're going to try to get the maximum amount of attention possible out of it. So it's likely hear about most of the big lie stories.

You haven't come up with a motive for girls wanting to lie about being raped on an anonymous self report survey.

hodj · May 23, 2015

Mist_sl said:
If you want my actual theory, it's a confluence of things creating the perception of a rape crisis.

First, tons of boys have left the college dating market. Up to 70% possibly. Whether this is because of porn, video games, or just because girls are dumb annoying cunts, it doesn't really matter. It's doubtful that a proportional number of rapey guys have left the dating market in the same period. So of the total pool of boys remaining in the dating market, a larger percent of them are rapey. So the odds that the guy you're talking to on a date or at a party is rapey has gone up.

This simply does not jive. Only men who want to rape are applying to college? Or a larger proportion of rapey dudes are applying to college but the rest are playing video games in their parents basements and fucking anime pillows? This is a terribly unsound, unjustified, and unjustifiable premise and conclusion. Where is your evidence that only guys not prone to rape are failing to attend university? It doesnt exist.

This is literally a nonsense assertion generated from whole cloth, with no evidence reason justification or cause to believe it. This is the dictionary definition of a muh feels argument. Its irrational and borders on the type of attempts to justify bad reasoning seen in creationist camps trying to figure out where all the animal shit went on noahs ark.

Mist · May 23, 2015

hodj_sl said:
This simply does not jive. Only men who want to rape are applying to college? Or a larger proportion of rapey dudes are applying to college but the rest are playing video games in their parents basements and fucking anime pillows? This is a terribly unsound, unjustified, and unjustifiable premise and conclusion. Where is your evidence that only guys not prone to rape are failing to attend university? It doesnt exist.

This is literally a nonsense assertion generated from whole cloth, with no evidence reason justification or cause to believe it. This is the dictionary definition of a muh feels argument. Its irrational and borders on the type of attempts to justify bad reasoning seen in creationist camps trying to figure out where all the animal shit went on noahs ark.

I didn't say they were failing to attend university. I said they weren't joining the college dating market. There's plenty of evidence that less young men are interested in dating, in the US, the UK and Japan.

The lack of reading comprehension is staggering.

khorum · May 23, 2015

Mist_sl said:
If you're the type of person that's going to lie about being raped, you're going to try to get the maximum amount of attention possible out of it. So it's likely hear about most of the big lie stories.

You haven't come up with a motive for girls wanting to lie about being raped on an anonymous self report survey.

I alluded to this before. If you're the type of person that's going to lie about being raped, you're going to try to get the maximum amount of CHIPOTLE BURRITOS.

That Brown study (Carey et al) that's been thrown aroundreadily admits that its scope is limited to a non-representative single-university sample. Of the overall population, only 483 respondents (less than 26% of the female population) received the $50 survey fee distributed as a $20 up front fee and three $10 fees for three additional QQ sessions with the team. Carey admits that the sample size is highly self-selected and that 18% of those 483 claim to have been raped before they even arrived at college---maybe they noticed the other girls who said they hadn't walk out without that gift certificate.

Carey even admits that her goal is to "bring attention" to the crisis of this "rape epidemic" which, as we've seen by every metric that fucking matters, doesn't exist.

Science Daily_sl said:
Upon entering college, 18 percent of the women surveyed said they had suffered an incapacitated rape or an attempt since age 14, and 15 percent reported suffering a forcible rape or attempt since age 14.

By bringing these statistics to light, Carey said, she hopes rape on campus will come to be regarded as the widespread and serious problem that it is. Carey and her coauthors write that the prevalence of rape incidents is at "epidemic levels."

But really, the only data that matters is "College Freshman", "$50 bucks" and "Chipotle Burritos". Having been a college freshman once, and having eaten chipotle burritos, I know EXACTLY what drove those girls to dig deep and peel back those rape scars on three separate "sessions".

hodj · May 23, 2015

Mist_sl said:
I didn't say they were failing to attend university. I said they weren't joining the college dating market. There's plenty of evidence that less young men are interested in dating, in the US, the UK and Japan.

The lack of reading comprehension is staggering.

Fair enough. It still doesn't jive. The reason it doesn't jive is there is no evidence that your claim is remotely true in regards to the number of rapey college guys in the dating market to begin with, the number of rapey college guys remaining in the dating pool rather than doing...whatever it is you think the non rapey guys are doing when they don't join the college dating market.

Point being, your entire argument is boiled down to "muh feels". "I feel" more rapey guys stay in the dating pool than leave it in college. Why would you enter the dating pool at all, if your goal is to rape people?

You could just rape them. No dating pool required at that point.

Honestly I feel like what you're doing is taking random facts and jamming them together ham fistedly into a narrative that fits a perception you already have, frankly.

Izo · May 23, 2015

hodj_sl said:
Fair enough. It still doesn't jive. The reason it doesn't jive is there is no evidence that your claim is remotely true in regards to the number of rapey college guys in the dating market to begin with, the number of rapey college guys remaining in the dating pool rather than doing...whatever it is you think the non rapey guys are doing when they don't join the college dating market.

Point being, your entire argument is boiled down to "muh feels". "I feel" more rapey guys stay in the dating pool than leave it in college. Why would you enter the dating pool at all, if your goal is to rape people?

You could just rape them. No dating pool required at that point.

Honestly I feel like you're what you're doing is taking random facts and jamming them together ham fistedly into a narrative that fits a perception you already have, frankly.

Sebudai · May 23, 2015

Khorum has been figuratively raping the shit out of Mist these last few pages. Gotdamn, bro. Well done.

Mist you should feel embarrassed.

Mist · May 23, 2015

khorum_sl said:
I alluded to this before. If you're the type of person that's going to lie about being raped, you're going to try to get the maximum amount of CHIPOTLE BURRITOS.

That Brown study (Carey et al) that's been thrown aroundreadily admits that its scope is limited to a non-representative single-university sample. Of the overall population, only 483 respondents (less than 26% of the female population) received the $50 survey fee distributed as a $20 up front fee and three $10 fees for three additional QQ sessions with the team. Carey admits that the sample size is highly self-selected and that 18% of those 483 claim to have been raped before they even arrived at college---maybe they noticed the other girls who said they hadn't walk out without that gift certificate.

Carey even admits that her goal is to "bring attention" to the crisis of this "rape epidemic" which, as we've seen by every metric that fucking matters, doesn't exist.

But really, the only data that matters is "College Freshman", "$50 bucks" and "Chipotle Burritos". Having been a college freshman once, and having eaten chipotle burritos, I know EXACTLY what drove those girls to dig deep and peel back those rape scars on three separate "sessions".

Well you're wrong on a bunch of counts. Unlike the NCVS, they weren't interviews, so there were no 'sessions.' And the "maybe they noticed the other girls who said they hadn't walk out without that gift certificate" part doesn't make any fucking sense at all, no academic survey is done that way.

Also, 26% of female freshmen responding would be a MASSIVE sample size. That increases the internal and external validity of the data hugely and goes far above and beyond a representative sample of that particular population.

So you're wrong on just about everything.

Mist · May 23, 2015

Sebudai_sl said:
Khorum has been figuratively raping the shit out of Mist these last few pages. Gotdamn, bro. Well done.

Mist you should feel embarrassed.

How? By using the same circular argument from the same data from the same government he distrusts in every other instance?

Mist · May 23, 2015

hodj_sl said:
Why would you enter the dating pool at all, if your goal is to rape people?

You could just rape them. No dating pool required at that point.

This a fucking ridiculously stupid argument that clearly shows you know absolutely nothing about rape.

Almost all rape is done by acquaintances, much like almost all child kidnappings and child molestation are done by family members. Victimization by strangers is very rare.

Seriously, you guys are too uneducated to even be having this discussion with. While I admit my theory is a thin 'connect the dots to fit the narrative' theory, your 'points' are so absolutely moronic and bordering on total nonsense.

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