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Trollface_sl said:
mental gymnastic is fun.
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It is when you're equipped for it.

What's funny is that on the other forum I post on frequently about such topics, I'm being attacked for defending men with statistics and arguments that:

1) Almost all of the rapes (in the US) are committed by only a small percentage of men, about 6%, who rape an average of 6 times each over their lifetimes and account for >90% of all rapes.
2) Most men are, as are all normal all human beings, neurologically inclined towards prosocial behavior and predisposed to reject and condemn antisocial behavior, and therefore most men have no desire or inclination towards raping.
3) That campus public awareness campaigns have gone way overboard trying to lecture men not to rape, as most men are not inclined to rape and the ones that are inclined to rape are sociopaths and will not be swayed by any amount of morality or education.

Generally when you're pissing everyone off on both sides of an argument, you're doing something right. But in this case, this thread is calling into question my arguments elsewhere. Either I'm wrong and way more men are inclined towards rape than I thought, or this forum has a way higher percentage of sociopaths than the average male population.
 
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I agree with everything you have said about rape and feminist's treatment of this issue. That ends when you start listing your definition of rape. In fact, most of us didn't argue or raise fuss until you started using language like, "college is the most vulnerable place for girls." Instead you should've said, "party is the most vulnerable place for girls."

it's what girls do that gets them into fucked up situation where predators gather and find their victims. Otherwise, we had no fucking rape in our christfag circles. zero drama. for 5 years.
 
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That's not an example of a false equivalence. Any metaphorical comparison is not a false equivalence. False equivalence is when one claims two things are equivalent when they are only share one element or characteristic. There are multiple congruities between the situations I'm comparing. It's not completely equivalent, but not being completely equivalent is not the same thing as being a false equivalence.
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Trollface_sl said:
I agree with everything you have said about rape and feminist's treatment of this issue. That ends when you start listing your definition of rape.
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It's the current legal definition of rape. The actual degree varies by state. I do think taking advantage of someone for sex when they're in a compromised state, but no lasting physical injuries are inflicted, should be considered a lower degree of sexual assault than forcible or violent rape. In every state I've researched, it is the case. There's a reason crimes have degrees. But it's still a violation of someone's rights, still a violation of someone's body, and it's still a crime, and it's still rape, even if it's not rapey-rape-rape-rape in the first degree.
 
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So what is it like being able to obliterate the life of another person just so you can protect your own reputation after a night where you decided to do things you now regret?
 
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Mist_sl said:
It's the current legal definition of rape. The actual degree varies by state. I do think taking advantage of someone for sex when they're in a compromised state, but no lasting physical injuries are inflicted, should be considered a lower degree of sexual assault than forcible or violent rape. In every state I've researched, it is the case. There's a reason crimes have degrees. But it's still a violation of someone's rights, still a violation of someone's body, and it's still a crime, and it's still rape, even if it's not rapey-rape-rape-rape in the first degree.
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It is in most states, but compromised has to be visible and provable (incapacitation is the word used by states). By visible and provable, I mean fucking fainting or cannot move a thumb and shit.
 
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Arbitrary_sl said:
So what is it like being able to obliterate the life of another person just so you can protect your own reputation after a night where you decided to do things you now regret?
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Poisoning the Well. -5 points. By putting the words 'you decided' you're inserting an implication of consent, when we're specifically talking about situations in which the party did not or could not give anything resembling any reasonable definition of consent.

I know the list of logical fallacies, unlike most of you.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Not fixed. I'm not saying if the girl is clearly giving it away when she's drunk, or thrusts her head in your lap and blows you while she's drunk, that that's rape. Because that would be fucking dumb. But if you have to actively and willfully coerce, 'exploit' or 'take advantage' of the girl to get what you want... it's rape. Yes it's hard to prove, but that doesn't mean it's not a crime and that it shouldn't be investigated.
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Mist, why don't you provide examples of
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actively and willfully coerce, 'exploit' or 'take advantage'
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so we can either come to some agreement or continue to drag you and Taroomba around behind the chariot.

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we can either come to some agreement or continue to drag you and Taroomba around behind the chariot.

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I'm a firm believer in the Hegelian dialectic model of thesis-antithesis-synthesis. I'm providing the antithesis to the thesis presented here. I know all my points are wrong, as are all of your (your used collectively here) points. The truth exists somewhere in the middle.
 
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Mist question.. If my buddy and I, both male, go out for drinks, and he doesn't drink, an I do get a good solid buzz, enough not to drive, but enough to be coherent. The good kind of of buzz where you make questionable decisions.
Then my buddy suggest, "hey I want to break your car windows, I always wanted to just smash the windows of a car", and me in my drunk state I tell him.. "That sounds like a great idea, here is my car and take a bat to all the windows.. It will be awesome!! "
My buddy goes and smash all my windows. Next day I wake up and I see wtf happened to my car.
Now can I go to the police and say since I was drunk I couldn't give consent, and he should be charge with property damage?
If you answer is no, then replace me with a female.. If your answer is still no, then instead of him smashing my windows... He wants to smash my vagina... Tell me when you switch to yes...
 
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Mist_sl said:
I know the list of logical fallacies, unlike most of you.
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First of all I do not accept your definition of rape. Courting the favor of an intoxicated lady does not a rapist make. Secondly, if I did (which I don't), how are we to know which is a case of an unconscious chick getting plowed and which is a case of someone hoping aboard a cock like it was the last chopper out of 'Nam but later regretting it? I don't know if you know this but women are capable of being evil, catty bitches and can absolutely trash the reputation of someone they don't like. There are rational reasons for a woman to later decide she was raped. Shame, guilt, reputation, already in a relationship, and so on. You want to set the legal standard that requires us to trust the word of one person in lieu of evidence. That's not how things work.
 
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Arbitrary_sl said:
First of all I do not accept your definition of rape. Courting the favor of an intoxicated lady does not a rapist make. Secondly, if I did (which I don't), how are we to know which is a case of an unconscious chick getting plowed and which is a case of someone hoping aboard a cock like it was the last chopper out of 'Nam but later regretting it? I don't know if you know this but women are capable of being evil, catty bitches and can absolutely trash the reputation of someone they don't like. There are rational reasons for a woman to later decide she was raped. Shame, guilt, reputation, already in a relationship, and so on. You want to set the legal standard that requires us to trust the word of one person in lieu of evidence. That's not how things work.
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That's /exactly/ how things work. Lots of crimes are prosecuted without physical evidence. If guilt was always obvious, we wouldn't need a legal system. Your examples of these false accusations make up such a tiny percentage of actual rapes. This reminds me of the whole fictitious voter fraud nonsense. It's a fabrication from a statistically insignificant number of cases used to pursue an ulterior agenda. And in this case, that ulterior agenda is justifying the rape of women.
 
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Whoa there well poisoner, who is talking about physical evidence? You know there are other kinds of evidence, right?
 
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Mist_sl said:
I'm a firm believer in the Hegelian dialectic model of thesis-antithesis-synthesis. I'm providing the antithesis to the thesis presented here. I know all my points are wrong, as are all of your (your used collectively here) points. The truth exists somewhere in the middle.
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Trolling confirmed. If you know you are wrong about something, using that as a measure, or as a bound of truth is ridiculous. Plenty of things in the world are black or white, like raping babies, regardless of the reason.
No matter if the babies' heart stem cells do cure cancer if consumed while the heart is beating. It is wrong to do it period. You don't need to establish that as a bound to somehow come to a middle ground where eating the beating heart of the baby is moral.
 
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I'm tired of these abstracts.

Grand jury says no charges warranted in controversial uptown public sex incidentGrand jury says no charges warranted in controversial uptown public sex incident

Everyone remember this case? Two drunk college kids from the University of Ohio are outside a bar and the man is performing oral sex on the woman. We've got multiple videos of the event.

In video of the incident, Blackburn said, the woman "had a smile on her face at one time," and grabbed the man's head in her hands at another. When the man asked if he should stop what he was doing, Blackburn said, "she said, 'No, go ahead, continue.'"
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And the dude has to through a fucking Grand Jury to see if there are going to be any charges filed. What does the local Fem group think?

Fick also rejected the notion that the woman's spoken statements and apparent responsiveness mean she was not too drunk to consent."If she was drunk at all, she was too drunk to consent,"she said. "If she was too drunk to remember anything, she was definitely too drunk to consent." The outcome of the legal investigation, she added, is "another example of how the criminal justice system doesn't always work" for sexual assault victims.
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Can't make this shit up.
 
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Arbitrary_sl said:
First of all I do not accept your definition of rape. Courting the favor of an intoxicated lady does not a rapist make. Secondly, if I did (which I don't), how are we to know which is a case of an unconscious chick getting plowed and which is a case of someone hoping aboard a cock like it was the last chopper out of 'Nam but later regretting it? I don't know if you know this but women are capable of being evil, catty bitches and can absolutely trash the reputation of someone they don't like. There are rational reasons for a woman to later decide she was raped. Shame, guilt, reputation, already in a relationship, and so on. You want to set the legal standard that requires us to trust the word of one person in lieu of evidence. That's not how things work.
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I'm back, re-responding to this post because I left off the fact that you're Poisoning the Well again. We're talking about a woman being exploited and you're covertly changing the example to a woman falsely accusing someone.

Here's a piece of advice. If you don't trust a woman enough to not turn out to be a psychotic evil bitch the next morning, maybe you shouldn't be having sex with her in the first place. If you're already in a relationship, you shouldn't be having sex with a drunk chick.

I ABSOLUTELY HATE RELIGION AND ALL THE DOGMA ASSOCIATED WITH IT and yet this stupid argument is now forcing me to take their position of "maybe there's too much casual/premarital sex going on." I FUCKING HATE THAT.
 
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