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Women having an equal hand in the mate selection process is one of the few good explainationss for how human males got such huge dicks compared to other primates, because women CHOSE to mate more often with the men with big cocks. Oh wait, you're Asian. Yeah, your ancestors probably raped all their women for millennia, that's why they still have such tiny dicks.
It wasn't until the century that women were able to choose who they marry. And in fact in many cultures nowadays they still don't choose who they marry. Prior to 18th century, most marriages were arraigned marriages. Is your point that male penis grew exponentially in the last 200 years? Or like usual you don't have a point and are just a retard?
 

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You ever wonder why your penis is shaped like it is? With the ridge along the glans? Not all penises are shaped this way.

That ridge exists to push the other mans ejaculate OUT of the vagina. When the female bears one child, and so much is invested into this one child, this actually confers an advantage.

We come from a very long evolutionary line of rape.

Gangrape.
 

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He has my consent at that time to smash my windows, that is not in doubt. My own words are his defense, so no one will charge my buddy under that. Remember I was not coerced to make my decision. I willing fully consumed the alcohol well aware of it effects on the human body and mind. Why is my buddy responsible for my actions? The only thing i am guilty of is making bad decisions.
So, like I said, you would "grit your teeth" and accept the consequences of your friend's actions because you willingly got drunk. That doesn't mean you weren't coerced, by the way. You just put yourself in a position where you were more susceptible to coercion. Maybe to you having your car smashed up is just an "Oops, what was I thinking?" thing, but like I also said, a line has to exist where it's no longer OK to take advantage of someone who's drunk. Luckily, we already have at least 2 reasonable situations where such is the case:
- When someone coerces you into signing a contract while drunk
- When someone coerces you into fucking them while drunk

Or are you implying that any drunk person is fair game for anyone else to exploit, abuse or take advantage of in any way simply because, while drunk, the target was a "willing" participant?
 

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Words.. they have meaning you know. i thought you were a teacher.

coercion
noun
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
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It wasn't until the century that women were able to choose who they marry. And in fact in many cultures nowadays they still don't choose who they marry. Prior to 18th century, most marriages were arraigned marriages. Is your point that male penis grew exponentially in the last 200 years? Or like usual you don't have a point and are just a retard?
I'm talking pre-civilization. Evolutionary timescales. ~100,000 years.
 

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You ever wonder why your penis is shaped like it is? With the ridge along the glans? Not all penises are shaped this way.

That ridge exists to push the other mans ejaculate OUT of the vagina. When the female bears one child, and so much is invested into this one child, this actually confers an advantage.

We come from a very long evolutionary line of rape.

Gangrape.
That doesn't imply rape as the norm, it merely implies that women were promiscuous. All the evidence we have about humans and primate societies and mating patterns tends towards the conclusion that rape was always considered antisocial behavior and that the males would gang up and remove/punish/kill males who were too rapey. Among their own tribe anyway. The enemy tribe's women were obviously completely fair game, and that's likely to be the main situation where that specific evolutionary trait you mentioned was beneficial, gang rapes after conquering.
 

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Oh I think it implies a good number of possibilities. A venerable tradition of gangrape to be one of them.

All rape. All the time.

And yeah, promiscuous females is another possibility.

The world is big and life is long. It's probably both.
 

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There's also great historical evidence that the whole 'blaming the victim' for being raped thing was wholly an invention of Christians. It doesn't exist in laws or literature before that.
 

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Words.. they have meaning you know. i thought you were a teacher.

coercion
noun
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
Merriam-Webster_sl said:
Full Definition of COERCE
transitive verb
1: to restrain or dominate by force <religion in the past has tried to coerce the irreligious ? W. R. Inge>
2:to compel to an act or choice<was coerced into agreeing>
3: to achieve by force or threat <coerce compliance>
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There's also great historical evidence that the whole 'blaming the victim' for being raped thing was wholly an invention of Christians. It doesn't exist in laws or literature before that.
That's a step too far. Not in the moral indignation way, in the "that's straight dumb" way.

The fact that we have the temple scene with Jesus and the Adultress should probably clue a person in that that particular belief is not completely well informed or examined. It doesn't mean that Christians invented it even IF the story itself was invented.

Not to mention non christian cultures that punish women for being raped.

I mean, c'mon now.
 

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Oh I think it implies a good number of possibilities. A venerable tradition of gangrape to be one of them.

All rape. All the time.

And yeah, promiscuous females is another possibility.

The world is big and life is long. It's probably both.
The All rape, all the time model is just not supported by analysis of precivilization humans or of primates. Among primates, most sexual encounters are one-on-one encounters of the female's choosing among males competing for her attention, and rapes are generally only the last resort of the least desirable males. If those least desirable males keep it up, they get beaten or killed.
 

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That's a step too far. Not in the moral indignation way, in the "that's straight dumb" way.

The fact that we have the temple scene with Jesus and the Adultress should probably clue a person in that that particular belief is not completely well informed or examined. It doesn't mean that Christians invented it even IF the story itself was invented.

Not to mention non christian cultures that punish women for being raped.

I mean, c'mon now.
I'm talking about the christian re-interpretation of Lucretia's rape and I'll toss you another hint: Islam came after Christianity and was informed by christian beliefs.

Rape victim blaming doesn't occur in Greek or Roman laws or literature. Granted, this is a western-centric analysis as I'm not well versed in early Asian cultures but I've gone over my beliefs on those little dicked bastards.
 

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Can you please paste the definition of compel?

Nm, here it is from your own source.

com?pel verb \k?m-'pel\
: to force (someone) to do something
: to make (something) happen : to force (something)

A) I was never forced to give you consent all we did talk, no force took place.
B) To make something happen-> that does not apply here since my friend did not make anything happen, he just asked to break my car windows. I could have said no easily without any consequence.

Come on tanoomba..
 

iannis

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Hey, believe what you wanna believe. But in this you've crossed that boundary between genuine scholarly curiosity and self pleasing historical fanfic.

Just take a look at what you're actually concluding and the leaps that you MUST take in order to reach it. Just like George Bush cannot be the most diabolical mastermind to have ever lived and the stupidest motherfucker ever born... neither can Paul be both.
 

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Hey, believe what you wanna believe. But in this you've crossed that boundary between genuine scholarly curiosity and historical fanfic.
Your 'all rape, all the time' viewpoint is dangerously similar to uninformed extreme feminist views that all sex is rape and always was...
 

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I'm talking pre-civilization. Evolutionary timescales. ~100,000 years.
pre-civilization women never had a choice on who to mate. It was always the alpha male of the group who had first pick, and then the beta males.
 

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pre-civilization women never had a choice on who to mate. It was always the alpha male of the group who had first pick, and then the beta males.
That's not how primates mate. It's a popular belief of how things work, but it's not supported by science.
 

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Can you please paste the definition of compel?

Nm, here it is from your own source.

com?pel verb \k?m-'pel\
: to force (someone) to do something
: to make (something) happen : to force (something)

A) I was never forced to give you consent all we did talk, no force took place.
B) To make something happen-> that does not apply here since my friend did not make anything happen, he just asked to break my car windows. I could have said no easily without any consequence.

Come on tanoomba..
When did we switch from coerce to compel? When someone is in a susceptible state (ie: drunk), it is significantly easier to convince them to do things they would normally not agree to do. Just because you are aware of this when you drink, it doesn't give the rest of the world carte blanche to take advantage of your state to, for example, get you to sign a contract or, alternatively, to fuck you.

Come on, whoever the fuck you are.
 

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The All rape, all the time model is just not supported by analysis of precivilization humans or of primates. Among primates, most sexual encounters are one-on-one encounters of the female's choosing among males competing for her attention, and rapes are generally only the last resort of the least desirable males. If those least desirable males keep it up, they get beaten or killed.
Actually in terms of primates. there is only one group where the women chooses without concecuences.

here are some mating rituals for gorillas
If he does not respond she may reach towards him, touch him, or slap the ground in front of her to attract his attention (Sicotte 2001). In groups with multiple males, solicitation is taken as indication of female preference,though females may be coerced to mate with multiple males during the estrus period (Sicotte 2001). A male initiates copulations by approaching the female and displaying at her or touching her and giving a "train grunt" vocalization(Watts 1991).
now chimpanzees

Mating occurs throughout the year and there is no evidence of a birth season, female chimpanzees do exhibit seasonality in the number of estrous females within a group (Wallis 1995; Boesch &Boesch-Achermann 2000; Wallis 2002). The number of estrous females is positively related to food abundance; because of the energetic requirements of ovulation and mating, female chimpanzees are more likely to come into estrus during times when food is readily available (Anderson et al. 2006). The majority of chimpanzee reproductive behavior is promiscuous, with females mating with multiple males opportunistically during estrus, though the majority of copulation occurs during the 10-day period of maximal tumescence (Goodall 1986). There are other types of reproductive strategies that are recognized as well.Restrictive mating, where the dominant male restricts other males from mating with estrous females in the community, consortship mating, where an adult pair leave the community for several days to weeks, and extra-group mating, where females leave their communities and mate furtively with males from nearby communities (Goodall 1986; Gagneux et al. 1999). Chimpanzee social and mating groups do not always overlap, given the variety of reproductive situations. This may have evolved because females have limited choice in mates after committing to a community, and the dominance hierarchy of males often dictates which males an estrous female will mate with. By having multiple strategies, females can expand the pool of males from which they choose while not losing the important support of the males in their communities (Gagneux et al. 1999). Having multiple strategies also maximizes the chances of males' reproductive success; they are able to vary, throughout their lives, their mating strategies with depending on their position in the dominance hierarchy.
And from sexual coersion in wiki
In basically all major primate taxa, aggression is used by the dominant males when herding females and keeping them away from other males.[1] In hamadryas baboons, the males often bite the females' necks and threaten them.[13] Wild chimpanzees can charge at females, shake branches, hit, slap, kick, pound, drag, and bite them. Orangutans are among the most forceful of mammals.Bornean orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus) exhibited aggression in almost 90 percent of their copulations, including when the females were not resisting.[14]A possible explanation for aggressive behaviors in primates is that it is a way for males to train females to be afraid of them and be more likely to surrender to future sexual advances.[1]
 

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When did we switch from coerce to compel? When someone is in a susceptible state (ie: drunk), it is significantly easier to convince them to do things they would normally not agree to do. Just because you are aware of this when you drink, it doesn't give the rest of the world carte blanche to take advantage of your state to, for example, get you to sign a contract or, alternatively, to fuck you.

Come on, whoever the fuck you are.
Someone named tanoomba highlighted compel to explain his use of the word coerce. You may want to talk to him about that.
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