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Might as well get this over with and destroy another goalpost correlation.

Mist_sl said:
Right, but if women hadn't laid the groundwork by fighting for the right to vote and other social advances 40 years prior to the technological advances that liberated them economically
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False. It was because of industrialization and post-war affluence that truly "liberated" women. But this liberation started well before this 40 year social advancement. Social advancement, I'd argue, was just a result of capitalism laying foundation for society to reflect. I am reaching to pre-1900 and into 1880, which arewell beforeuniversal suffrage. But let's not forget women's suffrage was a combination of both feminist belief (which were extreme by early 1900 standard) and reflection of society's belief that women's judgement was more sound than drunk husbands but I digress. By 1860-80, women finally found a way to find work which would put them directly into cities. Adventurous women would travel to city with excitement from their small towns in hopes of finding the mate. Women worked in textile factories and areas of duties, which capitalists believed were reserved for women. This is where "working women" started and from these working women, we get unions that were composed mostly of women. Capitalist, unknowingly, out of their desire to exploit women for lower wage (out of expectation that they will marry and, indeed, they did), opened a can of worm which the society has never returned from.

Mist_sl said:
they would have been kept shacked to the kitchen long past when it was economically feasible for them to not be. That's exactly what's happening in Islamiccultures. The money and the technology exists, but without the social framework necessary for social equality, their entire cultures remain relegated to the proverbial gutter.
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False.

To expand job opportunities, Saudi Arabia plans a women-only work zone | Public Radio International

But the kingdom now has a plan to expand job opportunities for women. It is proposing a women-only industrial zone to be built in the eastern city of Hofuf.
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"Saudi society is conservative, but at the same time, the practicalities of life have forced a lot of women to rethink the way that they live," Nafjan said. "I think that a lot of women want to go out into the workforce and nothing shows that as much as the number of women that have gone into retail as soon as it opened its doors, despite all the backlash they knew that they were getting."
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Changes come in generational shifts. They don't happen like magic. You don't just drop money and technology and tell a group of caveman to form a modern society. Don't be a fucktard. Remember, Saudi Arabia is not North America and has only entered the world of "developed" nation recently (50 years is pretty short. maybe a generation or 2) but all this will occur, regardless of religion and present backlash.

Kirun_sl said:
And who provided their shelter and protection?
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bro, don't credit men for this because if we do, we'd be blamed for all the atrocity as well but men did plenty good for women. pretty much set this civilization for them and women in exchange made babies for us (in closer look, women worked differently than men, so it is not as if women in general did not work.)
 
Tanoomba

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Araysar_sl said:
I like how this guy keeps calling us sweethearts or boys and girls in an attempt to infantalize us and make himself seem like he has any type of authority at all.

Very insecure and transparent
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Sorry, sorry! I forgot that the confident and manly terms to use were "fag" and "mangina".

How about "fucking retard"? That too insecure and transparent for you?

...fucking retard.
 
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Tanoomba_sl said:
Sorry, sorry! I forgot that the confident and manly terms to use were "fag" and "mangina".

How about "fucking retard"? That too insecure and transparent for you?

...fucking retard.
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Those are just insults, you use a specific nomenclature in an attempt to laughably establish authority that you don't have or will ever have.

Just look at how you lashed out at me at the mere suggestion of it. Why are you insecure and afraid? Is it because you now know that we see right through you?
 
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Araysar_sl said:
Those are just insults, you use a specific nomenclature in an attempt to laughably establish authority that you don't have or will ever have.

Just look at how you lashed out at me at the mere suggestion of it. Why are you insecure and afraid? Is it because you now know that we see right through you?
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Like so many bad posters these days, instead of actually making intelligent posts analyzing issues, he is now just following his schtick he's developed for the Tanoomba personality. He's just trolling in the guise of a particular identity to try to hook more people.

Either that, or he really is some 70 IQ forrest gump level retard. I prefer to think they're just trolling us.
 
Tanoomba

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Araysar_sl said:
Those are just insults, you use a specific nomenclature in an attempt to laughably establish authority that you don't have or will ever have.

Just look at how you lashed out at me at the mere suggestion of it. Why are you insecure and afraid? Is it because you now know that we see right through you?
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Perhaps you missed the point of my post. I was pointing out the irony of you accusing me of artificially inflating my authority through my choice of name-calling on a message board where 3/4 of posts include condescending name-calling.

But since you brought it up, I'll give you the credit of acknowledging that yes, my choice of words was intentional. However, it was not to "establish authority". It was, in fact, to push buttons. I know what some of you hate to hear and I give it to you. The reaction after "sweetie" was delicious. I anticipate my next opportunity to use it, specifically because I know it makes several of you squirm.

Now, if it makes you feel a little more important to believe I am insecure, go for it, sister! I have no problem with being part of your delusion if it makes you happier as a person. On the contrary, I love that pathetic shit. It makes you more human, frailties and all, as opposed to some dominant unmovable force most online personas pretend to be. Good on you.
 
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Tanoomba_sl said:
Wow, you're slow. Yes, you can't give consent while drunk. Yes, it happens ALL THE TIME anyway, because people are generally mature and responsible adults who are capable of drinking with the intention to fuck if they want to. What you don't get, what most people refuse to even acknowledge, is that "people can drink and fuck" doesn't mean" it's OK to take advantage of a drunk person to fuck them".

Some of you act like this is a trap. "How the fuck am I supposed to know she isn't going tofeellike she was violated the nest day and accuse me of rape when she was all over my cock the night before?" ...Right? This is the big danger every guy here is worried about?

Again, this doesn't happen with enough regularity for it to be even statistically significant.
And again (again, again, again), if you can't tell the difference between a situation where alcohol is being used socially to lower inhibitions and possibly lead to some (mutually desired) action and a situation where alcohol is being used to take advantage of someone and get them to do what they wouldn't do while sober, DON'T FUCK DRUNK PEOPLE. If you can't tell the difference, you can't handle the responsibility and you deserve whatever rape accusations you get.
Realistically, the grand majority of us DO understand the difference. It's why, in all likelihood, none of us has been accused of rape ever even though alcohol may have played a role in many social and romantic interactions (Trollface excluded). So even though, like me, you guys are capable of fucking drunk people, unlike me you pretend that "consent can't be given when drunk" is a trap or a slippery slope specifically designed to ensnare innocent males and ruin their lives as part of some feminazi agenda. Protip:It's not. Stop being paranoid defensive cunts and be a little logical once in a while.
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Dude, this whole post is just a bunch of nonsense. So no one can consent, but they are mature and responsible so fucking is ok. Unless it isn't, because it may be taking advantage. Between two responsible and mature people who are making a conscious and informed choice. But they aren't consenting! And you are talking about being logical in the same post.
 
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BECAUSE HE LOVES HIS WIFE AN...

ooooooh. Clever!

lol. Marriage isn't slavery. I mean I'm sure it -can- be, but that is not the natural state of marriage.

It's divorce, and much of the family law surrounding it, that is so egregiously slanted. Sometimes well intentioned sometimes not.

The Catholics have a more practical approach to this particular problem. "Nope."
 
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Trollface_sl said:
...stuff
To expand job opportunities, Saudi Arabia plans a women-only work zone | Public Radio International
...stuff...
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You're the one that keeps moving the goalposts. The original point was "which societies would you want to live in, the ones where women have equality or the ones where they don't?" I did not make a case for any kind of causal relationship. There are plenty of cultures where women are still suppressed, those MRA types should just go there, but they never would. If you want to reap the benefits of living in a free and equal society, you have to live with the social ramifications as well. That's all I was saying.

However, on to your new point. Top-down versus bottom-up. And as a supporter of capitalism, you know the top-down model doesn't work, so Saudi Arabia is going to remain culturally backwards for quite some time.

Western women (Okay, let's be fair, wealthy western women) helped lay the groundwork for social and even scientific progress reaching all the way back to the Enlightenment. Centuries ago, women played similar roles in Islamic cultures, but they were suppressed for so long that all of their groundwork was obliterated. Remember that those middle eastern cultures were scientifically and economically far more advanced than western European ones for almost 1500 years. But then they started to regress socially, and this stunted their development.
 
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mkopec_sl said:
Which is the result of the feminist movement.
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Sometimes. A lot of it though if you take an detailed look at it is trying to apply a standard which will always result in "the best interest of the children". It's dubious to me if such a thing is even possible, but people have tried. And maybe that has beenexploitedby the feminist movement. But it's not like they're reacting against nothing at all. It also suffers from the momentum of the way we write our laws. The family structure has changed in the space of three generations. That really is fucking fast. State Assemblies just can't keep up. Even if they tried to.

Its like this. I know a woman that fosters. A few years ago she wanted to adopt one of her foster children. It wasn't a case of stray kittens -- she doesn't try to adopt them all. The mother was a crack addict, the father was deported. The girl was a little bit older than adoptable. But because the mother was in rehab social services was not willing to adopt the girl out. And when the mother got out of rehab and had stayed clean for a few months she got her daughter back. Now that's fucked up. But if you think about it... while the situation itself is pretty fucked up you can see the reasoning behind why it is the way that it is. I don't have a specific divorce anecdote because I try to associate with, you know, a higher class of person.

I just heard Diane Rheims talking about patriarchy and I couldn't NOPE fast enough to turn the radio back off.
 
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mkopec_sl said:
Dumb, really? So why do you work so hard khalid? Have you ever asked this question?
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I'm single and have no interest in getting married. Even if I was, and I worked hard for my family, how is that slavery by a woman? Isn't she equally "enslaved" to it? That is called a partnership, not slavery.
 
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Iannis_sl said:
I just heard Diane Rheims talking about patriarchy and I couldn't NOPE fast enough to turn the radio back off.
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I do that everytime I hear her show is coming on. And not because I won't like what she presents, but for me, listening to her is like having a tooth pulled.
 
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