Its a partnership until your wife decides to fuck some alpha male, loses interest in you, divorces your ass and then you are an indentured slave for years, sometimes the rest of your life. And if you dont pay up, off to jail you go.I'm single and have no interest in getting married. Even if I was, and I worked hard for my family, how is that slavery by a woman? Isn't she equally "enslaved" to it? That is called a partnership, not slavery.
How old is Islam?You're the one that keeps moving the goalposts. The original point was "which societies would you want to live in, the ones where women have equality or the ones where they don't?" I did not make a case for any kind of causal relationship. There are plenty of cultures where women are still suppressed, those MRA types should just go there, but they never would. If you want to reap the benefits of living in a free and equal society, you have to live with the social ramifications as well. That's all I was saying.
However, on to your new point. Top-down versus bottom-up. And as a supporter of capitalism, you know the top-down model doesn't work, so Saudi Arabia is going to remain culturally backwards for quite some time.
Western women (Okay, let's be fair, wealthy western women) helped lay the groundwork for social and even scientific progress reaching all the way back to the Enlightenment. Centuries ago, women played similar roles in Islamic cultures, but they were suppressed for so long that all of their groundwork was obliterated. Remember that those middle eastern cultures were scientifically and economically far more advanced than western European ones for almost 1500 years. But then they started to regress socially, and this stunted their development.
No,it wasn't original point was that you are trying to correlate between good standard of living with social equality. bullshit. social equality is just a condition that comes with modern civilization and isn't required.You're the one that keeps moving the goalposts. The original point was "which societies would you want to live in, the ones where women have equality or the ones where they don't?" I did not make a case for any kind of causal relationship. There are plenty of cultures where women are still suppressed, those MRA types should just go there, but they never would. If you want to reap the benefits of living in a free and equal society, you have to live with the social ramifications as well. That's all I was saying.
now you are just making strawman but that is an interesting point that I will address right now.However, on to your new point. Top-down versus bottom-up. And as a supporter of capitalism, you know the top-down model doesn't work, so Saudi Arabia is going to remain culturally backwards for quite some time.
Of course, salons were quiet important and women took part in these scientific discussions but most of these meetings were nothing more than a muse to pass time and was a social activity for these wealthy European women. They would bring fantastic equipment of electricity to amuse themselves to pass time. There were no hard science conducted in these social activities. Again, you are trying to correlate their activities with something crucial. Get fucked. One of most important cause of Enlightenment was their belief that discovering the workings of the world would bring them closer to God.The most crucial scientific contribution comes from women working next to their husband. Most of recording and observations were done purely by women and men would work besides them. Mothers and daughters would work for the family unit and the husband would in turn represent their finding and receive credit.Western women (Okay, let's be fair, wealthy western women) helped lay the groundwork for social and even scientific progress reaching all the way back to the Enlightenment. Centuries ago, women played similar roles in Islamic cultures, but they were suppressed for so long that all of their groundwork was obliterated. Remember that those middle eastern cultures were scientifically and economically far more advanced than western European ones for almost 1500 years. But then they started to regress socially, and this stunted their development.
lol.. Remember that those middle eastern cultures were scientifically and economically far more advanced than western European ones for almost 1500 years. But then they started to regress socially, and this stunted their development.
I hesitate to use an analogy because any analogy brings about cries of "false equivalency!", but let's look at jaywalking. It's illegal, everybody knows it, but everybody does it. If you do it in front of a cop and get a ticket, are you going to use the excuse that everybody else gets away with it, or that you've been trapped? Cops know everybody jaywalks, they don't give a shit. But if you do it in front of their faces there may be consequences because yes, it's illegal. There are circumstances under which it's OK, and there are circumstances under which it isn't even though it's always technically illegal.Dude, this whole post is just a bunch of nonsense. So no one can consent, but they are mature and responsible so fucking is ok. Unless it isn't, because it may be taking advantage. Between two responsible and mature people who are making a conscious and informed choice. But they aren't consenting! And you are talking about being logical in the same post.
We're here for you, brother. However she hurt you, whatever she did... just let it out, man. There's no shame in needing a shoulder to cry on.Its a partnership until your wife decides to fuck some alpha male, loses interest in you, divorces your ass and then you are an indentured slave for years, sometimes the rest of your life. And if you dont pay up, off to jail you go.
So, you emulating all the gay mannerisms is supposed to make us uncomfortable?Perhaps you missed the point of my post. I was pointing out the irony of you accusing me of artificially inflating my authority through my choice of name-calling on a message board where 3/4 of posts include condescending name-calling.
But since you brought it up, I'll give you the credit of acknowledging that yes, my choice of words was intentional. However, it was not to "establish authority". It was, in fact, to push buttons. I know what some of you hate to hear and I give it to you. The reaction after "sweetie" was delicious. I anticipate my next opportunity to use it, specifically because I know it makes several of you squirm.
Now, if it makes you feel a little more important to believe I am insecure, go for it, sister! I have no problem with being part of your delusion if it makes you happier as a person. On the contrary, I love that pathetic shit. It makes you more human, frailties and all, as opposed to some dominant unmovable force most online personas pretend to be. Good on you.
In order to make this case, you'd need evidence of a fully modern civilization exists without social equality, and you can't.bullshit. social equality is just a condition that comes with modern civilization and isn't required.
That's why I switched and used the term middle eastern cultures when I started reaching back that far.How old is Islam?
I don't have to. Capitalism will do that for me.In order to make this case, you'd need evidence of a fully modern civilization exists without social equality, and you can't
Im a happily married man going on 15 yrs now.We're here for you, brother. However she hurt you, whatever she did... just let it out, man. There's no shame in needing a shoulder to cry on.
"Gay mannerisms"? Is that what you think I was doing? Christ, you are a homophobe, aren't you? No, "emulating all the gay mannerisms" isn't supposed to make you uncomfortable. My addressing people in ways that are considered "off-limits" by internet alpha males does, in fact, make you (the plural "you") uncomfortable, which has been pretty clearly illustrated already. Perhaps you missed it, in your own fucking thread.So, you emulating all the gay mannerisms is supposed to make us uncomfortable?
It really doesnt. Its just make us laugh at how transparently fake you are
They didn't develop any of that technology. They just bought it from us. That's not the same thing and you know it. Those people would be in the stone age like Afghanistan if they weren't sitting on top of a giant cavernous vat of oil.I don't have to. Capitalism will do that for me.
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EDIT: actually I can immediately claim that Saudi Arabia is a modern civilization based on their technology and wealth. Lol. Women still study more often than men in Saudi Arabia.