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Arbitrary

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It has yet to be disproved even once. It's been yelled at, sure. But disproved? Those are two different things, you know.
Every morning this week I've gotten off work, checked my email, made a sandwich, and seen you saying the same retarded shit. Shit like "drunk people can't consent because contracts."

It's just not funny anymore Matt. Please stop.
 

Chancellor Alkorin

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It has yet to be disproved even once. It's been yelled at, sure. But disproved? Those are two different things, you know.
Not even sure why I'm doing this, but lmgtfy:

Capacity to Contract Lawyers | LegalMatch Law Library

Specifically,

Most courts do not only look at whether the intoxicated person understood what they are agreeing to, but also if the other person had reason to know of the intoxication. It does not matter that the person did not look drunk at the time of contract, only whether or not the other party had reason to believe the intoxicated party lacked the mental capacity to understand the agreement.
In short, "I was drunk" is not an immediate out of any contract. Stop using this as a crutch.
 

Tanoomba

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Because in overwhelming measure, they are only "rapes" by your bullshit standards.
So you're saying that the "1/3 of rapes are caused by women" statistic is based on a bullshit standard. Promoted by feminism, perhaps? Are the feminist gals saying "We want to be rapists, too!"? I guess those rapes must have been reported by the female rapists themselves, right? "No, really! I totally raped that guy! I mean, he was fine with it the next day but he doesn't get it. I totally raped him, so you'd better count it!"

I didn't post that statistic, our lonely MRA friend who's two lost arguments away from shooting up a dorm did. Why aren't you criticizinghisbullshit standards?
 

Arbitrary

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You mean I can't get quietly hammered and then enter into a contract with the intent of later using my covert intoxication as a means to break it when it becomes inconvenient?

This used to be America.
 

Loser Araysar

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I'm not going to read through 1200 posts and look for that turd nugget of your wisdom so why dont you just give me the quick highlights on why a drunk person cannot be held responsible for their actions when it comes to sex, but can totally be held responsible for their actions when it comes to driving a car.
Stop hiding
 

Cad

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So you're saying that the "1/3 of rapes are caused by women" statistic is based on a bullshit standard. Promoted by feminism, perhaps? Are the feminist gals saying "We want to be rapists, too!"? I guess those rapes must have been reported by the female rapists themselves, right? "No, really! I totally raped that guy! I mean, he was fine with it the next day but he doesn't get it. I totally raped him, so you'd better count it!"

I didn't post that statistic, our lonely MRA friend who's two lost arguments away from shooting up a dorm did. Why aren't you criticizinghisbullshit standards?
Why aren't you addressing the issue? Why the hand-waving about which group's statistics are bullshit? You could just actually address the core issue.

Oh wait, that doesn't serve your trolling needs. Carry on.
 

Loser Araysar

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I dont understand what this 1/3 female rapists has to do with anything, seems like another Tanoomba smokescreen to avoid arguing about the meat of the issue.
 

rhinohelix

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So you're saying that the "1/3 of rapes are caused by women" statistic is based on a bullshit standard. Promoted by feminism, perhaps? Are the feminist gals saying "We want to be rapists, too!"? I guess those rapes must have been reported by the female rapists themselves, right? "No, really! I totally raped that guy! I mean, he was fine with it the next day but he doesn't get it. I totally raped him, so you'd better count it!"

I didn't post that statistic, our lonely MRA friend who's two lost arguments away from shooting up a dorm did. Why aren't you criticizinghisbullshit standards?
I know you're not responsible, Taroomba; you must have had a bran^H^H^H wine cooler.

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Loser Araysar

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I still crack up about the time Tanoomba offered to take Trollface to go cruising for chicks.
 

khalid

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Instead, you're conflating me understanding their nature with loathing them as a sex.
Every post of yours shows how little real interactions you have had with women and it is very clear that you do in fact loath women, or at least see them as nothing more than a receptacle for your penis. Yet people pile on Tanoomba and not your idiocy, sad.
 

Tanoomba

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I'm not going to read through 1200 posts and look for that turd nugget of your wisdom so why dont you just give me the quick highlights on why a drunk person cannot be held responsible for their actions when it comes to sex, but can totally be held responsible for their actions when it comes to driving a car.
No. I've humored you enough. I couldn't care less if you understand the difference between drunk driving and being raped. If you were hoping for a better reaction, you won't get it. If you have something relevant to add (which I highly doubt) I'll acknowledge it, otherwise consider your trolling ignored.

False dichotomy.
How do you figure?
You can't just call out an argument fallacy because you feel like it. If the definition of rape that leads to a statistic is invalid, then that statistic is also invalid. That is not a false dichotomy, my friend.

LegalMatch_sl said:
Most courts do not only look at whether the intoxicated person understood what they are agreeing to, but also if the other person had reason to know of the intoxication. It does not matter that the person did not look drunk at the time of contract, only whether or not the other party had reason to believe the intoxicated party lacked the mental capacity to understand the agreement.
In short, "I was drunk" is not an immediate out of any contract. Stop using this as a crutch.
Like Caddington, you're basically making my case for me. I never said being drunk means rape. I said knowingly taking advantage of a drunk person to fuck them is rape. I'm looking exclusively at whether or not the other party knew that the person in question was in a vulnerable state ("lacking mental capacity") and took advantage of that. Basically, the exact same circumstances under which a contract can be voided.


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I can do this all day.
 

Gavinmad

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How do you figure?
You can't just call out an argument fallacy because you feel like it. If the definition of rape that leads to a statistic is invalid, then that statistic is also invalid. That is not a false dichotomy, my friend.
You are presenting a situation as if it must be A or B, when in fact the answer is neither A or B. That's called a false dichotomy. Keep trying chimp.
 

Loser Araysar

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No. I've humored you enough. I couldn't care less if you understand the difference between drunk driving and being raped. If you were hoping for a better reaction, you won't get it. If you have something relevant to add (which I highly doubt) I'll acknowledge it, otherwise consider your trolling ignored.
Drunk is drunk. Why are there two different standards about when someone can be held responsible and when they can't be?

Why are you trying to run away from this? Is it because I exposed such an obvious flaw in your shitty argument?
 

Chancellor Alkorin

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Like Caddington, you're basically making my case for me. I never said being drunk means rape. I said knowingly taking advantage of a drunk person to fuck them is rape. I'm looking exclusively at whether or not the other party knew that the person in question was in a vulnerable state ("lacking mental capacity") and took advantage of that. Basically, the exact same circumstances under which a contract can be voided.
Yes, taking sexual advantage of a person who can't say no is textbook rape. Is that what you want to hear? I wasn't trying to disprove that. It also wasn't what you asked. You said that a drunk person can't form a contract; I showed you that yes, they can.

Does it hurt that you're so wrapped up in your fallacies that you've forgotten which one's which?
 

chaos

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But drunk people can't give consent, which is why contracts can be voided if someone was taking advantage of a drunk person. We don't say "The guy shouldn't have been drinking if he didn't want to be taken advantage of." He may have signed the contract, but that voluntary action doesn't count as consent because an external party was exploiting his suggestible and irrational state. Really, this whole conversation should have ended after our legal friend helpfully pointed out what contracts and sex have in common:



If anything it's the opposition who are letting "feelings" get the better of them and cloud their judgment. It makes them uncomfortable to imagine a girl claiming to have been raped after she was out drinking, so instead of considering the circumstances they decided that drinking = being responsible for someone taking advantage of you, which is fucking retarded. You're not responsible for people taking advantage of you when you're drunk, whether it's to get you to sign a contract or to get you to fuck them.
As both Lithose, Cad, and everyone with a brain has said, you are incorrect. Again, it saddens me that you are a teacher. My daughter starts school in the fall and I can just see myself having a conversation with some dumb fuck teacher like you and it makes me sad for America.
 

fanaskin

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Will Your Contract Be Enforced Under the Law? - FindLaw

Courts are usually not very sympathetic to people who claim they were intoxicated when they signed a contract.
intoxicate:

(of alcoholic drink or a drug) cause (someone) to lose control of their faculties or behavior.

faculties.

The ability to perform or act.



Are you only talking about being so drunk that you literally can't walk, or talk straight and almost passed out tanoomba? ie lose control of your faculties? or something more vague?
 

Tanoomba

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Why aren't you addressing the issue? Why the hand-waving about which group's statistics are bullshit? You could just actually address the core issue.

Oh wait, that doesn't serve your trolling needs. Carry on.
Core issue? Nobody here wants to talk about the core issue and you know it. Don't pretend that I'm swaying the discussion with stuff that doesn't matter. Therewas no discussionbefore I decided to push the "defensive douchebag" button and whip you goons up into a frenzy. Obviously, you guys love it too or you wouldn't keep posting here. I provide you with windmills to swing your swords at, you provide me with an opportunity to school several internet alpha males with one blow. it's mutually beneficial.

If you're telling me you'd rather have a rational discussion about why rapes occur at all, whether they get too much attention relative to their impact on society, what can be done to reduce inclination towards rape, etc, then awesome. I'm there, bro. But we can't have a rational discussion when everyone's too busy trying to bust open the Tanoomba pinata by beating it with strands of cooked pasta. Once we get over everyone's ferocious aversion to uncomfortable truths, the healing can begin.
 

Loser Araysar

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What's the core issue? That women get drunk, have consensual sex and then cry rape when the feelings of regret sink in the next day?

And then some internet white knight rolls around and attempts to tell everyone (contrary to all available evidence) that drunken sex is some sort of contract (false) and drunken contracts cant be enforced by law (false)?