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Araysar

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Mist_sl said:
This is ridiculous. This is like asking for the endgame of workers rights, or the endgame of scientific understanding of the world. There is no endgame, progress marches on.

But a good start, at least for the US, would be roughly equal representation in the House and Senate. The judiciary is finally starting to get there. Once we've got that, I think the rest will take care of itself over the long haul.
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While scientific understanding endgame might be ridiculous, gender rights and worker rights endgame certainly isn't.
 
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all these woman's studies majors have to justify their salaries somehow, an endgame is unforeseeable in that context.
 
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Mist_sl said:
This is ridiculous. This is like asking for the endgame of workers rights, or the endgame of scientific understanding of the world. There is no endgame, progress marches on.

But a good start, at least for the US, would be roughly equal representation in the House and Senate. The judiciary is finally starting to get there. Once we've got that, I think the rest will take care of itself over the long haul.
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You are always letting them divide you on the wrong fucking thing. How about a Senate and House that isn't almost entirely filled with incumbent lawyer politicians?
 
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I'm glad I stuck through the first few episodes of that show.

It takes a couple to click, but when it does zany kneeslapping ensues.

Seriously though, some seriously fucking funny and creative stuff.

First few episodes though -- not so much. They took a chance doing it that way but it pays off.

Rick is just such a dick.
 
Araysar

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Arbitrary_sl said:
You are always letting them divide you on the wrong fucking thing. How about a Senate and House that isn't almost entirely filled with incumbent lawyer politicians?
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I dont understand how is that the fault of anyone but women. Women outvoted men in Federal elections 53% to 47% in 2012.

On top of that, voting based on gender essentially says that the candidate views are irrelevant, what matters is whatever is between a candidate's legs. It's the most blatant form of sexism imaginable.
 
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Arbitrary_sl said:
You are always letting them divide you on the wrong fucking thing. How about a Senate and House that isn't almost entirely filled with incumbent lawyer politicians?
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Women deserve the same right to be bought off by lobbyists as men have.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
I dont understand how is that the fault of anyone but women. Women outvoted men in Federal elections 53% to 47% in 2012.
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You're missing the point. The point is that the people who control the donations that candidates need to be able to run for office are basically all white men. So it's not about who people vote for, its about who gets to run in the first place.
 
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Mist_sl said:
You're missing the point. The point is that the people who control the donations that candidates need to be able to run for office are basically all white men. So it's not about who people vote for, its about who gets to run in the first place.
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Yeah I've heard that copout before. And yet these white men, even in misogynist parties like the GOP have no problems with running women if they think they can win. On top of that, most of the donations are grassroots donations especially in the Democrat races where women should have an easier time winning.

In reality, the reason women are underrepresented in our "power structures" is because women simply aren't voting for women. Is it because women hate other women, or is it because they find the "privileged white male" more qualified for office?

You tell me.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
On top of that, most of the donations are grassroots donations
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SOURCE PLEASE. I think you have a terrible understanding of how the campaign finance ecosystem works.

Also explain why it's so different in other western countries. The US has the lowest representation of women in elected office of any modern western country.
 
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Mist_sl said:
SOURCE PLEASE. I think you have a terrible understanding of how the campaign finance ecosystem works.

Also explain why it's so different in other western countries. The US has the lowest representation of women in elected office of any modern western country.
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Good question. Why does US have lowest representation of women considering that women comprise the majority of the voters?

As far as donations go, lets take Obama's 2012 campaign for example:Obama campaign final fundraising total: $1.1 billion - Byron Tau - POLITICO.com

The campaign disclosed that it had 4.5 million total donors to the campaign and the Democratic National Committee, including 2.9 million new donors who didn't pitch in during the 2008 cycle. According to the data presented by the campaign, the average donation was $65.89. The campaign also shed new light on their funding sources - revealing that while the campaign was largely funded by major donors throughout 2011 and 2012, small online donations grew exponentially and outpaced big donors as a revenue stream by the summer of 2012. All told, the campaign's online fundraising apparatus brought in $525 million, while the bundling and high dollar fundraising of the NFC brought in $286 million. Mail brought in an additional $229 million, with the rest coming from telemarketing or other sources.


Wait I know, you're going to tell me that this is on a national level for someone who already has name recognition, a platform from which to speak, etc. Fair enough. Why wasn't Hilary nominated in 2008 then? Why did 400 FEMALE DNC Superdelegates voted for Obama at the convention vs. the 280 FEMALE Superdelegates for Hilary? She has 20 years of name recognition and is one of the best known female politicians in the world, right up there with Merkel, Thatcher and others.

I know you'll try to dodge these examples and try to claim that women running at state levels cant get any donations from these rich white men and thus can't run or put together a platform. Maybe these women should hit up all the other women in a grassroots effort for donations, or other rich white women. Or even hit up the DNC, which LOVES women. And yet with all these opportunities available, the domination of electorate, women are still vastly underrepresented.

Why is that?
 
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Pic in avatar? Who else do you think that is in mine? Although I have shaved and am regrowing the Van Dyke at the moment.
 
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This is one area that Crimea assuredly handles better than us. Have you fucking SEEN their Attorney General?

If a Russian shithole can figure this out, I'm not sure what the hold up is over here either.
 
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Is it possible that the under-representation of women in US politics is because the only thing that women hate more than men is other women?
 
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Araysar_sl said:
Good question. Why does US have lowest representation of women considering that women comprise the majority of the voters?

As far as donations go, lets take Obama's 2012 campaign for example:Obama campaign final fundraising total: $1.1 billion - Byron Tau - POLITICO.com

The campaign disclosed that it had 4.5 million total donors to the campaign and the Democratic National Committee, including 2.9 million new donors who didn't pitch in during the 2008 cycle. According to the data presented by the campaign, the average donation was $65.89. The campaign also shed new light on their funding sources - revealing that while the campaign was largely funded by major donors throughout 2011 and 2012, small online donations grew exponentially and outpaced big donors as a revenue stream by the summer of 2012. All told, the campaign's online fundraising apparatus brought in $525 million, while the bundling and high dollar fundraising of the NFC brought in $286 million. Mail brought in an additional $229 million, with the rest coming from telemarketing or other sources.


Wait I know, you're going to tell me that this is on a national level for someone who already has name recognition, a platform from which to speak, etc. Fair enough. Why wasn't Hilary nominated in 2008 then? Why did 400 FEMALE DNC Superdelegates voted for Obama at the convention vs. the 280 FEMALE Superdelegates for Hilary? She has 20 years of name recognition and is one of the best known female politicians in the world, right up there with Merkel, Thatcher and others.

I know you'll try to dodge these examples and try to claim that women running at state levels cant get any donations from these rich white men and thus can't run or put together a platform. Maybe these women should hit up all the other women in a grassroots effort for donations, or other rich white women. Or even hit up the DNC, which LOVES women. And yet with all these opportunities available, the domination of electorate, women are still vastly underrepresented.

Why is that?
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I didn't mention presidential elections specifically for that reason. Funding is very different for presidential elections, and that one was a particularly extreme example.
 
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