It's hardly screaming. It's the same amount of exasperation as when you say "build something that matters" to someone else on the forums.
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Nirgon
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Yep. Hopefully more talent gets out of that for other coding jobs, the big companies bottom out and learn their lesson. I really don't blame MJ for Warhammer, I blame EA and the people pushing to release something unfinished. In fact, I would just absolutely love one day for him or someone else to spell the beans on that game/situation.
When I decided career choices, I did my investigation and realized being a coder gave me ZERO creative design in a game.... among other things that you mentioned.
Utnayan
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Wait, so do you know Mark Jacobs personally then? Who do you still hang out with in the industry?
And I blame Mark Jacobs for running a shitty development schedule, forecasting over budget, trying to top down design horrible ideas, and not keeping pace from a management perspective. Not to mention, letting everything fall behind 18 months. EA didn't force it to ship. EA let Jacobs fuck around too long with too much blind faith (Which they repeated with Vogel) and had to ship something to mitigate loss. The game was a clusterfuck from the get go because of Jacobs involvement. DAOC almost didn't ship because of Jacobs.
You, Mark Jacobs best friend Grim1, need to realize this fact. I think Grim already knows, he is just sticking up for his buddy at this point.
Edit: That video with Andrew Meggs still rocks. And for the background people, what did they do there? Coax a couple kids walking down the street to see if they wanted to be in a movie on youtube, with payment being a #1 and a chocolate shake? It's fucking hilarious. People who want to pretend they are working do that. Click the mouse around and look busy drawing little boxes on random shit in MS Paint.
Grim1
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Ok, now your trolling me. I already said I don't know him. Wish I did though, or any mmo dev. The only friends I have in the industry are the ones I worked with back then and we don't stay in touch much. A couple work for Sony on sports games, or did last time I talked to them. The others moved out of town, haven't talked to them in years.
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Utnayan
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Gotchya. So basically it is just blind fandom.
Watch this movie this weekend.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037466/
Watch this movie this weekend.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037466/
Denaut
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It's fine, I've been wondering how long someone would Google that massive amount of information I have dropped. Problem is I have to be more vague about what I am working on now, I was hoping that I could speak in more detail about things if it wasn't well known where and who I worked for.
I worked on TSW as well.
Grim1
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Lol, you're trying to hard bro. And that is why I was laughing at you. If CU doesn't make it, I'll be mildly disappointed, but only for about 10 seconds.
Anyways, as I said to Denaut, the back and forth is fun but it will be at least a year before anything tangible like an alpha is available for critiques. Slow friday at work..
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Grim1
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Heheh, east coast? Just finished lunch here (don't tell my boss about the pint though).
Denaut
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Blackyce
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He already has, just not publicly. I am not a giant fan of MJ, I started beta testing WAR over a year before launch and I am still a bit skeptical towards MJ for the fiasco that was WAR. He is not as much to blame at UT and Denaut imply though. Keep in mind that his company was sold out from underneath him by his board and once that happened he had very little actual control over WAR.
With that said, DAoC is still by far one of favorite MMO's and the one I have played the most since I started playing them back in 1993. As many have said before, it brought plenty of innovation to the genre. Mark has been making games now since early 90's? I'm fairly sure, he understands what needs to be done to launch CU. Which is why I ponied up some $$ in the kickstarter.
Fortune 500 companies actually pay and have great ROI. Game studios by and large are not that profitable, and most of their money is invested in people to create things, and not in manufacturing, physical products, or resources.
I had an opportunity to work for a game company in the 90s, but wouldn't have touched it with a ten foot pole then with little kids. Nowadays it seems C, Perl, and Fortran skills do not seem to be in hot demand.
Denaut, nice resume. I'd be more curious in your opinion about Vanguard, Brad Mcquaid, and Age of Conan versus Mark Jacobs or CU.
Denaut
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There isn't much to say specifically that we haven't talked about generally to be honest. Both projects suffered from the exact same problems we've talked about only a few posts ago, it is almost sad that the problems were so pedestrian and predictable. As to Brad, there isn't anything for me to add that isn't already public knowledge, I barely ever talked to the guy.
I'm not one for much gossip, never have been to be honest.
Denaut
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To be fair I have never once mentioned Mark Jacobs and his involvement or performance on WAR for the simple fact that I do not know anything about it and I don't talk about things I have no direct knowledge of. If I am guessing, surmising, forecasting, or speculating about what I THINK went on somewhere then I will explicitly say so.
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After thinking about it more, I'm even more confident in my decision to support CU. To the point that I believe it would be irresponsible for me to ignore the project. I've been waiting a long, long time for someone to rehash what Daoc did in rvr. If I'm not going to support my preferred vision when it finally comes around, I shouldn't be allowed to complain about all the stupid shit I've been wasting money on.
I don't see it as helping Mark Jacobs, but rather the ideas he presents. If I have to drop some cheese so the next developer decides to give it a crack if MJ fails, then I'll consider it money well spent.
I don't see it as helping Mark Jacobs, but rather the ideas he presents. If I have to drop some cheese so the next developer decides to give it a crack if MJ fails, then I'll consider it money well spent.
Interesting that DaoC cost ?2mill to make. Given that Jacobs has the knowledge gained from starting up Mythic and bringing DaoC to market - and that this game is almost certainly going to be DaoC 2 in all but name - I wouldn't write this off (and I'm no big fan of Jacobs).
Are you saying they are flawed because they are not following a formal design and tender process ?
Denaut
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No, nothing formal. At the heart of it I think CU is flawed because it doesn't know what problem it is trying to solve.
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Wouldn't a more accurate and fair statement here be that "you" don't know what problem CU is trying to solve? Those that have been following most if not all the updates know what City State has sold us on thats it trying to solve. That doesn't mean that all problems have been identified or addressed. I'm genuinely not trying to be ignorant or a dick about the question but I am curious about your statement.