Captain America: Brave New World (2025)
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Wombat
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To be clear, the MCU has existed for so long and at such varied eras of cultural dominance and (extremely noticeable) inflation, not to mention the inevitable Disney+ release cutting into long tails, that just looking at raw numbers may not be the best evaluation.
If you're comparing (non-inflation adjusted) numbers like Franchise: Marvel Cinematic Universe, there's a pretty good relationship between multiplier (overall box office / initial opening) and quality.
Sure, Guardians of the Galaxy 1 only opened with $94M 2014 dollars, but it had a 3.54 multiple. Whereas The Marvels was dead last, both in initial week ($46M in 2023 dollars) and multiplier (1.83).
So while Ant-Man 3 opened with $106M 2023 dollars compared to Ant-Man 2's $75M 2018 dollars, Ant-Man 3's multiple (2.01) and overall take ($214M) were less than Ant-Man 2 (2.88 multiple and $216M), even without adjusting for inflation.
Is Cap Falcon's $88.8M 2025 dollar opening better than recent Covid-era 2021 releases like Black Widow ($80M), Shang-Chi ($75M), and Eternals ($71M)? Yes. Will it even hit the 1.99 multiplier it needs to top Cap America 1, ignoring 14 years of inflation? Up for debate, in my opinion.
If you're comparing (non-inflation adjusted) numbers like Franchise: Marvel Cinematic Universe, there's a pretty good relationship between multiplier (overall box office / initial opening) and quality.
Sure, Guardians of the Galaxy 1 only opened with $94M 2014 dollars, but it had a 3.54 multiple. Whereas The Marvels was dead last, both in initial week ($46M in 2023 dollars) and multiplier (1.83).
So while Ant-Man 3 opened with $106M 2023 dollars compared to Ant-Man 2's $75M 2018 dollars, Ant-Man 3's multiple (2.01) and overall take ($214M) were less than Ant-Man 2 (2.88 multiple and $216M), even without adjusting for inflation.
Is Cap Falcon's $88.8M 2025 dollar opening better than recent Covid-era 2021 releases like Black Widow ($80M), Shang-Chi ($75M), and Eternals ($71M)? Yes. Will it even hit the 1.99 multiplier it needs to top Cap America 1, ignoring 14 years of inflation? Up for debate, in my opinion.
Chukzombi
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When cap1 released 14 years ago. I think I paid maybe 7 or 8 dollars for the ticket at AMC.
Chris
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Even if it matches Cap 1, the audience reaction and word of mouth goes into the next movie.
I didn't watch Cap 1 at a cinema, I saw it a few years after and probably pirated it because I saw Iron Man 1 on TV and Avengers was coming out soon.
I did then see every movie from Avengers to Endgame.
Is this movie something that is bringing in new people or required watching for the big team up movie?
No.
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Wombat
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To be fair, Shang-Chi actually had relatively strong legs, ending with a 2.98 multiplier, (without adjusting for inflation) beating Ant-Man 2 & 3 and Black Widow, all of whom had pre-existing audiences.
Part of that was undoubtedly not having any action / comic competition until Venom 2 FIVE weeks later - if you'd already seen Free Guy in the three weeks before Shang-Chi launched, there were no other options than Shang-Chi.
And others have said, there's not really much in the way of direct competition until Mickey 17 on 3/7 and Novocaine on 3/14, and neither are really big budget* wide releases - we're really talking The Minecraft Movie on 4/4? Thunderbolts on 5/2?
So while (not adjusting for inflation) Cap Falcon should top Eternals $165M, where it slots in between that and Cap 1 ($177M) / Ant-Man1 ($180) / Thor 1 ($181) / Black Widow ($184) / Thor 2 ($206) probably depends most on word of mouth, and that doesn't seem particularly strong.
Edit: But to Goat's point, that the per-day numbers are worse than Shang-Chi suggests that most of the audience that intended to see it (vs. having no other options at the theater) already saw it.
*Edit 2: Apparently, Mickey 17's budget is a huge point of contention, ranging from $80M to $150M. Given that opening weekend estimates are around $20M in the US, that smells like a financial disaster regardless.
Part of that was undoubtedly not having any action / comic competition until Venom 2 FIVE weeks later - if you'd already seen Free Guy in the three weeks before Shang-Chi launched, there were no other options than Shang-Chi.
And others have said, there's not really much in the way of direct competition until Mickey 17 on 3/7 and Novocaine on 3/14, and neither are really big budget* wide releases - we're really talking The Minecraft Movie on 4/4? Thunderbolts on 5/2?
So while (not adjusting for inflation) Cap Falcon should top Eternals $165M, where it slots in between that and Cap 1 ($177M) / Ant-Man1 ($180) / Thor 1 ($181) / Black Widow ($184) / Thor 2 ($206) probably depends most on word of mouth, and that doesn't seem particularly strong.
Edit: But to Goat's point, that the per-day numbers are worse than Shang-Chi suggests that most of the audience that intended to see it (vs. having no other options at the theater) already saw it.
*Edit 2: Apparently, Mickey 17's budget is a huge point of contention, ranging from $80M to $150M. Given that opening weekend estimates are around $20M in the US, that smells like a financial disaster regardless.
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So i have not watched any MCU since… i dont know.
But that clip of … dr strange 2? What did they do, hey wanna cameo as some super that no one cares about because your from AnOthERdeMeNZAsion and get killed in a some horrible disturbing way? Sure dude from the office sign up- and the 2 girls ofc last the longest but still get killed, but the dudes get offed quick and nastily first.
Yeah random sorry
Haven’t watched anything in a long time, the violence has really ratched up since.. i think Guardians 2 and..umm.. winter soldier?
But that clip of … dr strange 2? What did they do, hey wanna cameo as some super that no one cares about because your from AnOthERdeMeNZAsion and get killed in a some horrible disturbing way? Sure dude from the office sign up- and the 2 girls ofc last the longest but still get killed, but the dudes get offed quick and nastily first.
Yeah random sorry
Haven’t watched anything in a long time, the violence has really ratched up since.. i think Guardians 2 and..umm.. winter soldier?
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Homsar
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Pretty much everything about Ant man, DS 2, and Love and thunder was complete trash. I don't think I made it through any of them.
Christian Bale underused, American Chavez was pretty good, don't remember anything positive about Ant-Man at all.
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Xarpolis
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Jokes on you, I didn't even pay to see it.
I went to see Rise of the Planet of the Apes with this chick I knew. After Rise, we snuck into Captain America. Good stuff. She later became a legit biologist, then started working for Google in San Francisco. I met up with her again in 2016 when I was driving cross country to ship our vehicles out to Hawaii. She became pure liberal by that point. But she wasn't when she went to College at Penn State. Go figure.
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Either way she was doomed to become a woke cult cunt. Penn state just planted the seed. The city of faggots just finished the job.
Homsar
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My best friend moved to Seattle then Portland and went FR telling me about my white privilege ect. Even though my money came from joining the military, 3 years ago we got in touch again and she got had got Red pilled hard. Crazy to think even in your 30s a boyfriend can make you shift your views so quick
Rajaah
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TBH that scene, and Strange 2, was kinda when I just lost interest in the MCU. Since then I think the only MCU movies I've even watched were Guardians 3 and Ant-Man 3, neither of which I liked, and Loki S1 which I did like. I was interested to see what they'd do with Kang, and then that fell apart.
That multiverse scene from Strange 2 was so goddamn weird and mean-spirited. Also it made me wonder, since women are unstoppable fighters who can barely be scratched in the MCU, and men are much more vulnerable to attack, the best way to defeat Thanos or any other ubervillain is just to send a team of women to fight him. MCU books women like 80's Hulk Hogan. Thanos wouldn't have had a chance.
Rajaah
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Long-ass Dear Diary post, feel free to not read:
I went to the theater for Iron Man 2 with a really cute girl from my college who wasn't my girlfriend (of over a year at that point). My GF and I weren't getting along at the time due to interference from her parents, who were hellbent on keeping us from getting a place together. The relationship was probably on its way out, but neither of us would accept it. I'd been in art class with this other girl for months, drawing charcoal pictures and glancing at each other a lot before I finally grew a pair and started talking to her. Semester ends and we go out.
So all my Iron Man 2 memories involve sitting next to (way too close to) this cute girl, and how hot Black Widow looked. We hit it off nicely, but I held back a lot due to having a GF. Long story short, I felt bad about going out with her and made the mistake of mentioning it to my GF and telling her I wasn't happy and wished we could just fix things instead of me feeling like going out with someone else to begin with. Which was dumb of me to tell her, and I guess I was hoping my honesty would be appreciated, and maybe she'd appreciate me more and work harder to fix things.
Instead my GF finds the girl in my Facebook friends list and looks at some pictures of her and says, and I quote, "I was hoping she wouldn't be this pretty". Before I could suggest 3 way, she ordered me to un-friend the girl and not talk to her again. I didn't do either, but I did send the girl a text saying that I couldn't see her again because I have a GF. The girl texts me back "Wow." and then un-friends me on Facebook, so she did that for me. Never saw her again. Then my GF dumped me like two weeks later anyway.
Worst part is that while my GF hated video games and didn't like pretty much anything I liked (hence why she wasn't going to see Iron Man 2 with me instead), the girl from school shared basically all of my hobbies. She liked DBZ, superhero stuff, video games, etc. We talked about Bioshock a lot and how deep the game actually was. Another guy in our class was simping for her really hard and I rescued her from him a few times until he gave up, then we'd sit outside and talk about stuff like Assassin's Creed 2 and Dragonball Z Abridged. Last day of the semester (which was right before Iron Man 2 came out) I asked her out and she said yes. During our date she was on my arm the whole time and generally really sweet, whereas my GF was a cold fish at that point and barely affectionate with me.
Kind of hilarious in retrospect (...not really), but man, after losing both of 'em, I felt like complete shit at the time, and I remember drinking a lot in June-August 2010 while staying in a tiny room that faced west and didn't have air conditioning, so it'd be an inferno in the afternoon, with roommates who were never home and friends who were all back in my hometown. I spent the summer playing Mirror's Edge, Bioshock 2, and the God of War trilogy, and cashiered at a store. It was the first time I can remember where I was legit miserable with life and not sure where I was going. Once school started again and I was occupied I felt much better, at least.
In some other universe I'm married to the girl from art class, have kids, and am probably a much happier person. And that's my Iron Man 2 story
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Vuuxo
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For those that didn't read all this here's what you need to take away from it.
1. Never tell your girlfriend you're dating someone else.
2. Don't tell the new girl you have a girlfriend
3. Stop using fucking social media.
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Xarpolis
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You should look her up again. Maybe her life is currently a mess and you two could mesh well together. Or maybe she married a mess that turned his life around and she's now the happiest chick in the world. Two sides of the same coin.
Xarpolis
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Exactly. I have twitter and instagram for the sole purpose of seeing when comedians that I like will be in town. I don't talk to any "friends" on them. They exist as a tool to find information about future activities.
Rajaah
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More or less, yeah. The TLDR of my story is that I handled the situation quite poorly and should have been WAY less honest and just rolled with things.
With hindsight, the move was to keep going out with Iron Man 2 girl and just go "fuck it" with my existing relationship, where her wealthy and opinionated parents had all but guaranteed it wasn't going to work (telling her things like that they wouldn't come to her wedding, wouldn't support her financially anymore if she got a place with me, etc). Why did they hate me so much? Her family was a certain ethnicity that tends to close ranks. She had to keep our relationship a secret from them for months and once things were going well and she was confident they'd be okay with it, she broke the news and...they weren't okay with it. It hummed along for another six months but it was DOA at that point, we just didn't know it yet.
On the other hand, art class girl was really nice, classy, didn't have any baggage, had normal nice farmer parents who let her do what she wanted, and spoke French. /whoopsie-daisy.gif
Haven't used Facebook since like 2017. Got tired of seeing people's drama and popping off about politics, plus every time I'd log on I'd have like two fewer friends on my friend count and would feel like I did something wrong. Had a long-time friend blow up at me on there because after he got dumped I said his GF wasn't worth it anyway and was an awful person and he deserved better. Guy goes into full simp-mode defending her honor and yelling at me for 3 paragraphs. Sometimes keeping in touch with old friends isn't actually worth it.
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