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Cruella (2021)
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This cast has an Emma, another Emma and an Emily. That must have been a confusing set.
Title: Cruella
Tagline: Hello, Cruel World.
Genre: Family, Comedy
Director: Craig Gillespie
Cast: Emma Stone, Emma Thompson, Paul Walter Hauser, Joel Fry, Emily Beecham, Kirby Howell-Baptiste, Chloé Booyens, Bern Collaço
Release: 2021-05-26
Plot: The evil exploits of Cruella de Vil, the villain from 101 Dalmatians.
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i'd be down with a Jafar movie tbh, the live action Aladdin movie had a real shitty Jafar
of course it won't happen, a movie starring a brown guy being the bad guy and murdering people would rile up way too many people
Cruella Quinn is bizarre but whatever, I guess its better than just faithfully adapting the cartoons and turning out boring, flat clones like Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Lion King.
Once Upon a Time had a great Cruella, even though the show mostly sucked.
of course it won't happen, a movie starring a brown guy being the bad guy and murdering people would rile up way too many people
Cruella Quinn is bizarre but whatever, I guess its better than just faithfully adapting the cartoons and turning out boring, flat clones like Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Lion King.
Once Upon a Time had a great Cruella, even though the show mostly sucked.
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Villains are often the most interesting characters, why wouldn't they want to capitalize on that? Problem is, I think, they tend to not understand why villains are interesting. Maleficent wasn't bad, just unnecessary and forgettable. Imagine them doing a prequel which delves into Anton Chigurh's backstory, shit would be awful.
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yeah. hard to say exactly. villain's are the most interesting as noted. since, they are flawed and angry. And good villains are angry for a reason, not just SJW "oh they are privilaged white males, that are angry at not being privilaged anymore!"
its the Superman is boring because hes perfect already. theres no story arch. Even with the hero's journey you have, the nobody, that has to grow into the hero, and most cases turns away at some point, spiderman no more!, before accepting they have to.
how a villain came to be is always interesting. very few start as crazy assholes.
And theres of course tons of examples, scarface, rambo, breaking bad, taxi driver, joker, etc...
I know there have been prequels in the past, that turn back the clock and feature the villain pre-villain. drawing blanks atm. black flag technically. I mean.. starwars.. But there also examples where it works.
Obviously these Disney ones are rough. Villain is not a villain at all, with Malecifant. and theres also Wicked.
hell, Cobra Kai flips it too.
its the Superman is boring because hes perfect already. theres no story arch. Even with the hero's journey you have, the nobody, that has to grow into the hero, and most cases turns away at some point, spiderman no more!, before accepting they have to.
how a villain came to be is always interesting. very few start as crazy assholes.
And theres of course tons of examples, scarface, rambo, breaking bad, taxi driver, joker, etc...
I know there have been prequels in the past, that turn back the clock and feature the villain pre-villain. drawing blanks atm. black flag technically. I mean.. starwars.. But there also examples where it works.
Obviously these Disney ones are rough. Villain is not a villain at all, with Malecifant. and theres also Wicked.
hell, Cobra Kai flips it too.
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The book of Wicked is clever and really flips everything in the Wizard of Oz on its head, the musical is a musical so meh. Or Cobra Kai, just checking out of of Daniel's perspective and getting Johnny's is enough to make a really interesting story. But the story has to come first.
Pinhead is a decent example, in the movies anyway haven't read the books yet. But he's fucking terrifying. Every question they answered, or attempted to, muted that horror a little. Their thinking is "oh people love Pinhead, let's give them what they want" not understanding that the last thing people want is to get backstory of Pinhead and to explain who he was as a human etc. Fuck all that, he should be butchering and fucking his was across various dimensions, he's an act of god, when they make him a person they kill the movies.
Pinhead is a decent example, in the movies anyway haven't read the books yet. But he's fucking terrifying. Every question they answered, or attempted to, muted that horror a little. Their thinking is "oh people love Pinhead, let's give them what they want" not understanding that the last thing people want is to get backstory of Pinhead and to explain who he was as a human etc. Fuck all that, he should be butchering and fucking his was across various dimensions, he's an act of god, when they make him a person they kill the movies.
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Disney Exec: Hey, let's put out a new movie!
Money guys: New IPs are hit and miss, expensive, and have a low ROI
Disney Exec: Let's convert YA Novels into Movies.
Money guys: Been done already.
Disney Exec: Well, what about twist endings, what about that guy? Let's get him.
Creative guys: Heeeeeee's pretty much done that a bunch now. No one doesn't expect the twist ending from him.
Disney Exec: I know! Let's go back and make heroes of all of our Villains. They were all women, right? DIVERSITY and TWIST and at the SAME time.
Everyone: Genius!
I mean, Disney was never a creative company: They were always mining older stories to give us what we loved. But cannibalizing their own stories to feed us villains as protagonists? Disney is exhausted as a company and we are potentially exhausted as a civilization.
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villains aren't interesting except as a secondary character and antagonist of the hero. Once you try to make the whole thing about them, you humanize them and make them more boring unless they get a villain of their own. especially using superficial and one dimensional characters like cruella or maleficient.
Disney is a symptom of the creative spirit in general in western civilization. look at Blizzard or most other triple A gaming companies, just churning out cheap variations of tired old IPs. Remakes and cannibalizations galore these days.
Disney is a symptom of the creative spirit in general in western civilization. look at Blizzard or most other triple A gaming companies, just churning out cheap variations of tired old IPs. Remakes and cannibalizations galore these days.
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To be fair, the Oz books themselves also flip everything in the Wizard of Oz on its head.
Those books were weird and meta for their day.
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exactly, the joker was also a bad movie, his "origin story" was ridiculous. better to just have him being dumped in acid and go crazy as an "explanation" if people need one. him starring in some kind of bad edgy version of the King of Comedy was just... ugh.
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