D.C. Naval Yard Shooting

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The media has a certain amount of culpability.The reason we talk about this shooting and not Colorado is because there's really nothing to argue about in Colorado.It's not polarizing. Climate Change isn't big this season, so no one cares. Here we've got mentally disabled people, video games/TV, gun control, base security, sequesters, and now russians jumping in to have some trolling fun on the social network called the news.

The media knows these things, so "feeds" us what they know we'll bite into, instead of reporting the news we should be knowing. I'm not for censorship of any kind, but we certainly can't say that the media isonlyreacting to market forces.They're creating the demand.
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I don't disagree with what you say for the most part, but I've highlighted two statements that are at odds with each other. The demand for argument, for discussion, doesn't come strictly from the media providing the impetus.
 
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Did you see the list of victims? The youngest guy was 46 and over half of them over 55 it looks like. He didn't need rapid reloading, he didn't need a powerful rifle, he didn't need an automatic weapon, he only needed a pellet gun. Minor injuries to these men and women are a lot more drastic.
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You should take this stellar logic to the suicide thread. Lots of hate for old people in there and you would fit right in.
 
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khalid_sl said:
You should take this stellar logic to the suicide thread. Lots of hate for old people in there and you would fit right in.
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This isn't hate, this is just science that when you shoot a man or woman that is 55 they are not going to bounce back from that and take cover and stem the flow of blood until they can be rescued quite as well as a 22 year old.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Just PTSD, he has some past history of shooting also, I read about two instances of shooting up a car and an apartment off memory. The guy needed some professional care and I don't know whether he was getting it or not.
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I had a neighbor that lived below me that complained about us walking on a nearly daily basis; he was always really sweaty, red-faced, and yelling nearly on the verge of knocking me out. We had a fully carpeted apartment and our dog weighed 9 pounds. His g/f came up one day and told us he has severe PTSD and isn't able to sleep because we are so loud and he was ready to "kick my ass". Glad that dude moved out, and after dealing with PTSD first-hand I wouldn't doubt this guy losing it eventually either.

I was ready to call up some local military offices to see how to deal with this guy as I felt pretty much in fear of my life, but then he broke his lease 4 months in and moved out - never to b e heard from again.
 
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So, I don't have much exposure to the military on a personal level. What resources are available to help these guys with PTSD? Does the culture encourage them to seek help rather than try to rub some dirt on it? Are we doing enough to help them?
 
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Noodleface_sl said:
I had a neighbor that lived below me that complained about us walking on a nearly daily basis; he was always really sweaty, red-faced, and yelling nearly on the verge of knocking me out. We had a fully carpeted apartment and our dog weighed 9 pounds. His g/f came up one day and told us he has severe PTSD and isn't able to sleep because we are so loud and he was ready to "kick my ass". Glad that dude moved out, and after dealing with PTSD first-hand I wouldn't doubt this guy losing it eventually either.

I was ready to call up some local military offices to see how to deal with this guy as I felt pretty much in fear of my life, but then he broke his lease 4 months in and moved out - never to b e heard from again.
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People with PTSD can be their own worst enemy because a decent percentage don't want to seek counseling because of the stigmas involved.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
People with PTSD can be their own worst enemy because a decent percentage don't want to seek counseling because of the stigmas involved.
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This is a general mental health problem.

While we do have a part of a younger generation who wants to constantly be diagnosed with things they don't have, there are silly a lot of people out there who see any kind of mental health diagnosis or seeking of treatment as some kind of horrible stigma.
 
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Duppin_sl said:
So, I don't have much exposure to the military on a personal level. What resources are available to help these guys with PTSD? Does the culture encourage them to seek help rather than try to rub some dirt on it? Are we doing enough to help them?
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Yes and no. There are enough resources out there. There isn't always enough knowledge given to the people and there are huge stigmas for anyone to say they need counseling.

Think of suicide in general. There are people that will kill themselves instead of seeking psychiatric help all because of the stigma or no knowledge of the resources available. Take that same person and train them to kill ahead of time and put them in a situation where they are on edge all the time just to stay alive. They might kill somebody in the line of duty and feel guilty about that the rest of their life. When they unravel it isn't always just a bottle of pills, sometimes it involves a dozen people. If that person feels paranoid about one of the employees you won't always see the signs ahead of time.
 
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Are concerned citizens allowed to seek out someone for them? I guess in my case I wasn't really sure what to do, but I figured if it was this bad then someone probably should know about it. I was going to call around looking for advice as I felt in danger. I didn't want to get the guy in trouble or anything, but at the same time I didn't want to be murdered or have my dog murdered or anything.

I figure in the least, someone would try to contact him and it would be up to him whether or not he would accept treatment.
 
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Are concerned citizens allowed to seek out someone for them? I guess in my case I wasn't really sure what to do, but I figured if it was this bad then someone probably should know about it. I was going to call around looking for advice as I felt in danger. I didn't want to get the guy in trouble or anything, but at the same time I didn't want to be murdered or have my dog murdered or anything.

I figure in the least, someone would try to contact him and it would be up to him whether or not he would accept treatment.
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You could try to find somebody but there just isn't infrastructure for that. You can't force them into care especially based on the testimony of the GF.

Your best recourse is to find the nearest VA and just see if anyone there cares. Give an address and say "hey he might just need someone to talk to" and that might get some work but no guarantee on that. Contacting police would be a waste of time.
 
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Sounds like the guy just took bidens advice. He got scared, walked up to the balcony and fired a few blasts indiscriminately into the haze.
 
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The unfortunate thing was he kept calling the police on us and they basically told him he was crazy if he thought they would tell us to stop walking.. I felt it made matters worse.

I'll stop derailing the thread now.
 
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