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Sinistkir13

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Alright, I think I'm definitely leaning towards the MSI Tomahawk x870 for my 9800x3d build:
Asrock is awful with their stock because it sells out faster than you could conceivably check out. I happened to be on my computer and click a Newegg tab when it was in stock, added it to my cart, and it was already gone before the next page loaded.

I guess it's a sign because although they made one good board, it's purple color is a too faggy, anyways.

For RAM, I'm thinking either
G.Skill Trident 64gb 6000 CAS 30

Teamgroup 48gb 6400 CAS 32

Asrock's memory QVL also seemed a lot more limited than anyone else's, whereas MSI is at least pretty normal and open to most things out there.
I had a fuck of a time with my 7950X3D build, too. AMD and their board partners really dropped the ball on it. Many problems and I pretty much knew what to do to fix. The board was a pain to flash, and they didn't even have the proper instructions on their website. I had to rename the bios file so the offline flasher would recognize it. This is not mentioned on their website or manual. RAM was on QVL but they decline to mention which revision or BIOS they tested it with. One board model and name, but 3 revisions. Two of which have incompatible bios and drivers. Board is black, has revision numbers printed in dark grey and put in a spot impossible to see when installed. Board revision not printed on box. I have a habit of looking over boards before installing them, and only made note of it because the color and placement was stupid.

For those not keeping track, this is 3 complete showstoppers. A person inexperienced with these things would have a dead system from each one. I thought the bios file renaming thing was over the top because it wasn't listed anywhere a normal human being would look or even know to look.

And then the long ram training times which the system gives no indication what is going on. Is it dead? Is it going to boot? Is it booting? I knew all these issues beforehand but was still left in wonderment at how sloppy it all was. Sloppy and avoidable. It was a new manufacture board with the first revision bios. They could have avoided all pain by flashing it with the latest bios before shipping.

Ahh, and then installing Windows 11. I had the version that allowed to skip online sign up AND knew the secret handshake to do it BUT Windows didn't have the WIFI drivers so this would have been showstopper #4 for an inexperienced builder UNLESS they had a zillion feet of ethernet cable, or had the modem a few feet away OR felt like dragging around a huge, heavy PC and IF Windows had ethernet drivers at all.

The final ignominy? The board website was spittling out corrupt drivers, so I had to wait to install updates. Any normal person would have packed everything up and returned the whole lot. These board manufacturers have HUGE return rates, and it is easy to see why.

Sloppy on AMD's part, sloppy on the board manufacturer's part, sloppy on MS for having basic WIFI drivers that don't work AND requiring online signup to INSTALL THE FUCKING OS.

Conversely, I put the AMD 5900X system back in its old chassis, tossed in a new SSD, and Windows 10 was downloading updates 10 minutes later, all with minimal input on my part.

I also put Fedora on a 10500 Intel based laptop. 15 minutes to install and that included writing the OS to a finger drive and installing all updates. No internet needed to install OS, no online account needed AND it was fully functional. Full suite of apps ready to go. No surprise to find out that Linux desktop share doubled in one year.
If you don't mind me asking, which motherboard manufacturer was it?

I know Gigabyte is notorious for having a ton of different "revision" boards that make no sense when you're just looking through them.

From all the researching I've done for both Intel and AMD, I think the motherboard situation is just fucked in general. Way too much segmentation and dumb requirements, specifically AMD, and overall way too expensive for seemingly basic features.

And fuck Windows 11, it's a goddamn piece of shit OS that should have been tossed in the bin. It's so egregious that I would not even mind in this case if Microsoft had regulators breathing down their necks over their bullshit planned obsolescence requirements and told them to either continue supporting Windows 10 if they're so worried about "security" given the vast number of computers that are incompatible, just for a glorified ad platform downgrade, or open source Windows 10.

MS is such a clusterfuck that their own updates are a bigger liability than any of their fearmongering. There is a less than zero possibility that I would ever trust them with things like bitlocker for a damn personal computer that's only job is to use the internet and play games.
 
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