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Sinistkir13

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Alright, I think I'm definitely leaning towards the MSI Tomahawk x870 for my 9800x3d build:

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Asrock is awful with their stock because it sells out faster than you could conceivably check out. I happened to be on my computer and click a Newegg tab when it was in stock, added it to my cart, and it was already gone before the next page loaded.

I guess it's a sign because although they made one good board, it's purple color is a too faggy, anyways.

For RAM, I'm thinking either
G.Skill Trident 64gb 6000 CAS 30

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Teamgroup 48gb 6400 CAS 32

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Asrock's memory QVL also seemed a lot more limited than anyone else's, whereas MSI is at least pretty normal and open to most things out there.
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I had a fuck of a time with my 7950X3D build, too. AMD and their board partners really dropped the ball on it. Many problems and I pretty much knew what to do to fix. The board was a pain to flash, and they didn't even have the proper instructions on their website. I had to rename the bios file so the offline flasher would recognize it. This is not mentioned on their website or manual. RAM was on QVL but they decline to mention which revision or BIOS they tested it with. One board model and name, but 3 revisions. Two of which have incompatible bios and drivers. Board is black, has revision numbers printed in dark grey and put in a spot impossible to see when installed. Board revision not printed on box. I have a habit of looking over boards before installing them, and only made note of it because the color and placement was stupid.

For those not keeping track, this is 3 complete showstoppers. A person inexperienced with these things would have a dead system from each one. I thought the bios file renaming thing was over the top because it wasn't listed anywhere a normal human being would look or even know to look.

And then the long ram training times which the system gives no indication what is going on. Is it dead? Is it going to boot? Is it booting? I knew all these issues beforehand but was still left in wonderment at how sloppy it all was. Sloppy and avoidable. It was a new manufacture board with the first revision bios. They could have avoided all pain by flashing it with the latest bios before shipping.

Ahh, and then installing Windows 11. I had the version that allowed to skip online sign up AND knew the secret handshake to do it BUT Windows didn't have the WIFI drivers so this would have been showstopper #4 for an inexperienced builder UNLESS they had a zillion feet of ethernet cable, or had the modem a few feet away OR felt like dragging around a huge, heavy PC and IF Windows had ethernet drivers at all.

The final ignominy? The board website was spittling out corrupt drivers, so I had to wait to install updates. Any normal person would have packed everything up and returned the whole lot. These board manufacturers have HUGE return rates, and it is easy to see why.

Sloppy on AMD's part, sloppy on the board manufacturer's part, sloppy on MS for having basic WIFI drivers that don't work AND requiring online signup to INSTALL THE FUCKING OS.

Conversely, I put the AMD 5900X system back in its old chassis, tossed in a new SSD, and Windows 10 was downloading updates 10 minutes later, all with minimal input on my part.

I also put Fedora on a 10500 Intel based laptop. 15 minutes to install and that included writing the OS to a finger drive and installing all updates. No internet needed to install OS, no online account needed AND it was fully functional. Full suite of apps ready to go. No surprise to find out that Linux desktop share doubled in one year.
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If you don't mind me asking, which motherboard manufacturer was it?

I know Gigabyte is notorious for having a ton of different "revision" boards that make no sense when you're just looking through them.

From all the researching I've done for both Intel and AMD, I think the motherboard situation is just fucked in general. Way too much segmentation and dumb requirements, specifically AMD, and overall way too expensive for seemingly basic features.

And fuck Windows 11, it's a goddamn piece of shit OS that should have been tossed in the bin. It's so egregious that I would not even mind in this case if Microsoft had regulators breathing down their necks over their bullshit planned obsolescence requirements and told them to either continue supporting Windows 10 if they're so worried about "security" given the vast number of computers that are incompatible, just for a glorified ad platform downgrade, or open source Windows 10.

MS is such a clusterfuck that their own updates are a bigger liability than any of their fearmongering. There is a less than zero possibility that I would ever trust them with things like bitlocker for a damn personal computer that's only job is to use the internet and play games.
 
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Mist

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I want a new computer for dumb reasons, but I think my 12700k will limp along another year.
 
Juvarisx

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Im just not going to build another PC again, what companies should I be looking at for a prebuilt? Also is Intel okay to use now? I am getting mixed messages about the current and last gen processors blowing up?
 
Animosity

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Juvarisx said:
Im just not going to build another PC again, what companies should I be looking at for a prebuilt? Also is Intel okay to use now? I am getting mixed messages about the current and last gen processors blowing up?
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I’ve had good luck with Ibuypower. Also if you have a Costco membership I’ve seen them selling a lot of prebuilts from notable companies. Worth a shot.
 
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Juvarisx said:
Im just not going to build another PC again, what companies should I be looking at for a prebuilt? Also is Intel okay to use now? I am getting mixed messages about the current and last gen processors blowing up?
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Current gen Intel is at best a sidegrade to the previous gen when it comes to gaming, but more expensive. The last gen had unreported manufacturing problems (via oxidation) and microcode issues that caused it to pull too much power that could physically damage the CPU. The via oxidation issue happened last year at one fab and was supposedly fixed, Intel just didn't admit that they were shipping some potentially defective CPUs until they were forced to this year. The power draw issue has supposedly been fixed in microcode, but if you buy a used CPU it's a crapshoot as to whether it was damaged before it was updated. I haven't seen if the microcode updates affected performance though.

General rule of thumb right now is if you game, buy AMD x3D and call it a day. If you don't it's more nuanced, but the new Intel 200 series is a rushed, one off architecture and generally poor performance to dollar value.

As usual, Tech Jesus has guidance:

 
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Malakriss

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The socket will only last for one gen because they cancelled the others. You need a newer motherboard to support a new socket that is already obsolete. Please pay a premium for both, no lube provided.
 
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Denamian

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Malakriss said:
The socket will only last for one gen because they cancelled the others. You need a newer motherboard to support a new socket that is already obsolete. Please pay a premium for both, no lube provided.
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Had to ship something with an NPU quick because AI AI AI!
 
Aazrael

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Whats considered the most reliable and bang for the buck controller for PC?

Using my dual sense atm but I think I want a Xbox layout instead.

I have an Elite Controller 2 which is the worst piece of shit I ever bought. The Y and A buttons work like 75% of the time. I took it apart to try fix it but ended up throwing it in a random box in pieces to never see the light of day again.
 
Juvarisx

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Thanks for the suggestions. Got a 7800X3D with a 4070TI Ibuypower at Costco for $500 Off. Last time I leave the house on Black Friday though lmao.
 
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Aazrael said:
Whats considered the most reliable and bang for the buck controller for PC?

Using my dual sense atm but I think I want a Xbox layout instead.

I have an Elite Controller 2 which is the worst piece of shit I ever bought. The Y and A buttons work like 75% of the time. I took it apart to try fix it but ended up throwing it in a random box in pieces to never see the light of day again.
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I’ve been using this one which I think was based on a recommendation from here. I like it. Don’t use the back buttons and all that but as a controller it’s been perfect. May be a newer version now, not sure.
 
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Aazrael

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Intrinsic said:
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I’ve been using this one which I think was based on a recommendation from here. I like it. Don’t use the back buttons and all that but as a controller it’s been perfect. May be a newer version now, not sure.
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That one looks good but I think I would get annoyed by the cable. I much prefer wireless, but maybe they are worse?
 
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Aazrael said:
That one looks good but I think I would get annoyed by the cable. I much prefer wireless, but maybe they are worse?
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Didn’t think about wired vs wireless since it is just what I have. Seem to remember having to use some Xbox dongle years ago that I hated, probably what made the switch to wired.
 
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Aazrael said:
Whats considered the most reliable and bang for the buck controller for PC?

Using my dual sense atm but I think I want a Xbox layout instead.

I have an Elite Controller 2 which is the worst piece of shit I ever bought. The Y and A buttons work like 75% of the time. I took it apart to try fix it but ended up throwing it in a random box in pieces to never see the light of day again.
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I am in love with this controller

www.easysmx.com

EasySMX® X20 Multiplatform Gaming Controller with Trigger Lock And Hall Effect Sensors

Discover the EasySMX X20 Gaming Controller, featuring advanced Trigger Lock, Hall Effect sensors, Detachable Sticks to Adjust the Height, customizable RGB lighting, 4 programmable Back Buttons, and seamless multi-platform compatibility. Available now for just $59.99!
www.easysmx.com www.easysmx.com
 
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AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, ASUS B650-E TUF Gaming, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT, Computer - Micro Center

Get it now! Find over 30,000 products at your local Micro Center, including the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, ASUS B650-E TUF Gaming, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT, Computer Build Bundle
www.microcenter.com www.microcenter.com

Im still trying to figure out what I want since I'm leaning more to just building what I want instead of a pre built and saving some cash.
What's y'all's opinion on that microcenter bundle? Trying to figure out if it's worth it since the mobo and ram have so so reviews. Or should I suck it up and move up to the 9800x3d? Im trying to keep the build around $1500 and hopefully last me awhile.

Edit: 7800 sold out now but my question still stands. I'll probably make the bigger purchases around tax return time (gpu/CPU) unless a great deal comes around. I'm slowly piecing it together. For example: I'm thinking of just purchasing this now and just nab the cpu later. I'm out of the loop but I'm thinking it's better than what's in the microcenter bundle.
 
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Like a lot of other people I have been seriously considering buying a 50 series card, but yesterday I pulled the trigger on building a system with a 7900XTX and a 7800x3D.

I built it for two reasons:

1. I think the pricing and availability of the 50 series is going to be shit for 6+ months. After that, the pricing is still going to be retarded as I expect you won't be able to buy a 5080 for less than $1200, ever.

2. I was able to put together the entire pc (completely new build) for $1950 ($2082 shipped) and I didn't skimp on anything. Normally, I skimp a bit on the case because I don't give a shit about aesthetics, but I do care about thermals so I bought a great Fractal case.

My current PC is ok, but not great (RTX 3080 10gb and 10600k) and I play at 1440p so the new system will meet every need I will have for years and there's no reason to wait for the opportunity to spend more money for performance I don't need. My goal is 150fps at high settings in nearly every game and the new setup comes very close.

Maybe in the future I'll care about Raytracing and DLSS, but for now I simply don't.
 
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Sinistkir13

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Alright, what the hell - Newegg sold out of the only good AM5 x870 boards, and apparently these chucklefuck companies only sell to (1) Newegg and (2) maybe Amazon or Best Buy, and (3) B&H is irrelevant since they're like a poverty Newegg that doesn't give half decent sales even on Black Friday.

These companies should just recall their "high end" ones because no sane person is going to spend more right before the 5000 cards come out just to bottleneck them.
 
Caeden

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Alright folks - I haven't built a rig since 2016. My primary gaming habits will most likely be PoE 2, Baldur's Gate 3 and 2010-2024 backlog. I do not play shooters for the most part and the vast majority of my past year was spent on Last Epoch, FFXIV, and some dabbles in WoW Classic/WoW Private stuff and some Grim Dawn here and there. I'm on a budget because I'm being responsible and we're in the midst of a $50k home remodel that we're not taking a loan out for along with having those money-sucking kids, but want to be somewhat future proof.

I slapped together this today:


Overall, running about $2200 on newegg...I'd like to get that down. Recommendations? Am I just really fucking overkill for what I want to play?

and here's my slightly cheaper version: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Caedrus/saved/jzK3Hx
 
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Caeden said:
Alright folks - I haven't built a rig since 2016. My primary gaming habits will most likely be PoE 2, Baldur's Gate 3 and 2010-2024 backlog. I do not play shooters for the most part and the vast majority of my past year was spent on Last Epoch, FFXIV, and some dabbles in WoW Classic/WoW Private stuff and some Grim Dawn here and there. I'm on a budget because I'm being responsible and we're in the midst of a $50k home remodel that we're not taking a loan out for along with having those money-sucking kids, but want to be somewhat future proof.

I slapped together this today:


Overall, running about $2200 on newegg...I'd like to get that down. Recommendations? Am I just really fucking overkill for what I want to play?

and here's my slightly cheaper version: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Caedrus/saved/jzK3Hx
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Cheaper version was private.

You can probably drop down to a 7600 CPU (save $80), especially if you plan to upgrade to a 7800X3D or 9800X3D once pricing and availability get sorted out. Swap the cooler to something from Thermalright like the Phantom Spirit and save another $30. 6000 CL30 is still the sweet spot for AMD, so you could save a few bucks there. Pick up a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro for ~$120 instead. As for GPUs, 4070 Super would be fine given your games list, as would a 7800XT/7900GRE,7900XT and the later 3 still have 16GB vram. A 7800XT would save nearly $400. Mobos are tricky - if you don't need USB 4 or a bunch of NVME and USB port in general, you can drop down to a B650 board. You can also look at X670/X670E instead of X870/X870E since it is the exact same thing (aside from AMD requiring USB4). Much of the upsell on mobos is power stages but 14 to 16 stages with 50-60A per is PLENTY, and even that is overkill for 125w X3Ds. You don't need to pay for 18 90AMP stages...I wouldn't fall for 8000MHz memory on AMD yet - they have technical lilmitations on why it's not that much of an improvement over 6000MHz CL30, and X3D CPUs cover for the lower bandwidth. It's possible if Zen 6 gets a new memory controller and use the AM5 socket that might change.

I don't think you should be paying more than $1500 for your use cases.
 
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Caeden

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Jovec said:
Cheaper version was private.

You can probably drop down to a 7600 CPU, especially if you plan to upgrade to a 7800X3D or 9800X3D once pricing and availability get sorted out. 6000 CL30 is still the sweet spot for AMD, so you could save a few bucks there. As for GPUs, 4070 Super would be fine given your games list, as would a 7800XT/7900GRE,7900XT and the later 3 still have 16GB vram.
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My next version. Should be public. You're right though. I don't need a cadillac. BG3 and PoE2. I appreciate the feedback. Been so long since I built that SSDs were SATA only I think....or typically were.

Final Ordered: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9nRskf

Glad to get a new machine for the first time since 2016. And for point of reference, my current case has been in use since 2008. I built into it for WOTLK. Since then I've just been swapping out components.
 
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