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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
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Just use search..............
I was setting up a new desk. That is the 55" model which is awkward as all hell. I set it on my new desk and one leg was not all the way on the desk and it pivoted and smacked the center of the monitor. I have a little dent on my desk where it hit. That was a $1000 piece of art ? I took it to a shop and paid them I think it was $30 to write a letter saying it was unfixable and turned it into my credit card insurance company and got $500 back. Which helped pay for one of the 2 Gigabyte M32U monitors I'm using now.
But yes by help I mean a 2nd person. My wife kept finding excuses to not come in the back and help and I'm not known for my patience. Actually my brother told me I'll be dead in the coffin mad that I'm not rotting fast enough.
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Exactly, and most people wouldn't even know about the problem without looking into it so deeply or consulting a spreadsheet, but given how no one is using it anymore on the x870 boards, you can figure that they all said "fuck that noise" and dumped Intel altogether.
I just wish more had split the lanes in a sensible way on the new boards because if you're buying into the platform now, it makes even more sense than with the x670(e) to think ahead about future GPUs and whether or not they'll be bottlenecked, and frankly for the price of GPUs in general, fuck sharing lane with storage that is only getting cheaper. And double fuck sharing with storage that has negligible returns that aren't even being utilized by anything.
The rub is how it's some low end boards did just that, e.g. the x870 Tomahawk handles it by sharing M.2 bandwith with the USB 4.0, because that actually makes sense:
Meanwhile, this is the x870e Carbon that also has the privilege of costing $200 more:
* PCI_E1 & PCI_E2 & M.2_2 share the bandwidth, and PCIe version support varies depending on the CPU. Please refer to the PCIe configuration table in the manual for more details.
I'd suck it up and get the Taichi Lite without hesitation if they just did what the less expensive Nova did and give you an extra fifth m.2 slots and 4 SATA instead of the two extra SATA, but the Tomahawk is looking mighty tempting for being cheaper than all of them.
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You saw the thread where I asked/offered to help pay to get it fixed right? need a sarcasm filter I guess.
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This probably doesn’t help anyone, but Corsair is doing a 20% off sale on DDR5 ram for this weekend with code ZZ-DDR5-20.
This will put some kits like the Dominator Titanium 6000/30cl under $135, roughly $20 saved at the lowest price it has ever been with the code.
Of course you can get similar ram for slightly cheaper elsewhere if not interested in white/rgb puke/aesthetics.
This will put some kits like the Dominator Titanium 6000/30cl under $135, roughly $20 saved at the lowest price it has ever been with the code.
Of course you can get similar ram for slightly cheaper elsewhere if not interested in white/rgb puke/aesthetics.
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Lanx
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lulz please give a written tutorial or someone else other than kermit the frog talking, can't watch, lulz
edit, i watched kermit so tldr
don't install your cpu while case is vertical
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have to clean old paste off old CPU (assuming upgrade)
Have to reroute AIO cable/head end out of way to install new CPU
Have to put new paste on new CPU
Who the fuck does that with the case vertical?!
If I can I pull the mobo. assuming I have the cables where I can just bend them back. Or worst case, while the Case is on it's side.
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How to talk yourself into buying more GPU than you really need....
I switched my HTPC to Linux a little bit ago, so I tossed in an old AMD 5500 XT 8Gb card (Linux has AMD drivers built-in). I want to do some upgrades, so I have a few options for Zen 3 CPUs available and 32GB lined up for it. I've been looking at the 7600 from AMD as an entry level replacement, keeping an eye on prices. And so it starts...
7600 8GB is fine for HTPC use. I never play games on the living room couch, but I always think i want to.
Get the 7600XT 16GB instead. 16GB will age better and won't slow down with high-res textures for those games I don't play...
How about a 6750 XT instead? Last gen, 12GB is enough, but much faster than the 7600 XT, though it has high power comsuption
See that 6800s are still out there. 16GB, faster still, and lower power than the 6750XT. But feels bad buying a 4yo card...
7800XT? +15% faster than the 6800, current gen, and slightly better ray-tracing support
7900 GRE? another +5-10% stock, and has official ROCm support (for running local LLMs)
I'm currently deciding between a $360 6800 and a $530 7900 GRE, knowing I will likely never play games on either one.
I switched my HTPC to Linux a little bit ago, so I tossed in an old AMD 5500 XT 8Gb card (Linux has AMD drivers built-in). I want to do some upgrades, so I have a few options for Zen 3 CPUs available and 32GB lined up for it. I've been looking at the 7600 from AMD as an entry level replacement, keeping an eye on prices. And so it starts...
7600 8GB is fine for HTPC use. I never play games on the living room couch, but I always think i want to.
Get the 7600XT 16GB instead. 16GB will age better and won't slow down with high-res textures for those games I don't play...
How about a 6750 XT instead? Last gen, 12GB is enough, but much faster than the 7600 XT, though it has high power comsuption
See that 6800s are still out there. 16GB, faster still, and lower power than the 6750XT. But feels bad buying a 4yo card...
7800XT? +15% faster than the 6800, current gen, and slightly better ray-tracing support
7900 GRE? another +5-10% stock, and has official ROCm support (for running local LLMs)
I'm currently deciding between a $360 6800 and a $530 7900 GRE, knowing I will likely never play games on either one.
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Got my 9800X3D monday, went to tear out the current custom watercooling and go with a simpler Arctic Freezer AIO on my PC tuesday after flashing the board. 2 hours later, go to fire it up, board sits at the yellow DRAM led. I stare at it for a minute and power it off. Put my previous CPU in, yellow DRAM for ~30 seconds and then it posts and boots. 9800 back in, worried I had over tightened the cooler and caused issues with the DRAM channels. Yellow DRAM led again, give up after 2 minutes.
Flash my second rig motherboard (get told by the manual that the system will restart after flashing, it did not, just had the flask led stop blinking and go solid green, convinced that I have now bricked this board). Put the 9800 in because "Fuck it, lets see what happens", realize it has no debug leds, so good luck figuring out if this board even does anything. Plug a monitor into the board with no GPU, fiddle fuck with the inputs on the monitor. Stare at the board and fans and just get sad, then it posts and says "9800X3D". "Well, fuck, the CPU is good, why didn't my other board post?
Read around, see people saying wait 5-10 minutes for memory training on the new CPUs. I'm baffled because it was never this long on my 5000 series or 7000 series. It's 11 at night, deal with cleaning paste and swapping CPUs tomorrow.
Lunch time, go through disassembling and cleaning goo, the fun anxiety of removing 2 CPUs and trying not to drop them straight back into the sockets and totaling the motherboards. Put the 9800 back into my main system, press the power, start a stopwatch. 4 minutes and 25 seconds later, fans spin down a bit and it posts. Jesus tap dancing christ, nearly 5 minutes to train memory. Enable the EXPO profile and restart, another 2 minutes, back into the BIOS. Enable Memory Context Restore, now it's 5 seconds to boot.
TLDR: memory training on the 9800X3D takes forever.
Flash my second rig motherboard (get told by the manual that the system will restart after flashing, it did not, just had the flask led stop blinking and go solid green, convinced that I have now bricked this board). Put the 9800 in because "Fuck it, lets see what happens", realize it has no debug leds, so good luck figuring out if this board even does anything. Plug a monitor into the board with no GPU, fiddle fuck with the inputs on the monitor. Stare at the board and fans and just get sad, then it posts and says "9800X3D". "Well, fuck, the CPU is good, why didn't my other board post?
Read around, see people saying wait 5-10 minutes for memory training on the new CPUs. I'm baffled because it was never this long on my 5000 series or 7000 series. It's 11 at night, deal with cleaning paste and swapping CPUs tomorrow.
Lunch time, go through disassembling and cleaning goo, the fun anxiety of removing 2 CPUs and trying not to drop them straight back into the sockets and totaling the motherboards. Put the 9800 back into my main system, press the power, start a stopwatch. 4 minutes and 25 seconds later, fans spin down a bit and it posts. Jesus tap dancing christ, nearly 5 minutes to train memory. Enable the EXPO profile and restart, another 2 minutes, back into the BIOS. Enable Memory Context Restore, now it's 5 seconds to boot.
TLDR: memory training on the 9800X3D takes forever.
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I forget what AMD calls it and I am too lazy to look, but they added a BIOS option that skips memory re-training after the initial training, speeding up boot times. If you flashed your BIOS look to see if this setting reset.
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I had a fuck of a time with my 7950X3D build, too. AMD and their board partners really dropped the ball on it. Many problems and I pretty much knew what to do to fix. The board was a pain to flash, and they didn't even have the proper instructions on their website. I had to rename the bios file so the offline flasher would recognize it. This is not mentioned on their website or manual. RAM was on QVL but they decline to mention which revision or BIOS they tested it with. One board model and name, but 3 revisions. Two of which have incompatible bios and drivers. Board is black, has revision numbers printed in dark grey and put in a spot impossible to see when installed. Board revision not printed on box. I have a habit of looking over boards before installing them, and only made note of it because the color and placement was stupid.
For those not keeping track, this is 3 complete showstoppers. A person inexperienced with these things would have a dead system from each one. I thought the bios file renaming thing was over the top because it wasn't listed anywhere a normal human being would look or even know to look.
And then the long ram training times which the system gives no indication what is going on. Is it dead? Is it going to boot? Is it booting? I knew all these issues beforehand but was still left in wonderment at how sloppy it all was. Sloppy and avoidable. It was a new manufacture board with the first revision bios. They could have avoided all pain by flashing it with the latest bios before shipping.
Ahh, and then installing Windows 11. I had the version that allowed to skip online sign up AND knew the secret handshake to do it BUT Windows didn't have the WIFI drivers so this would have been showstopper #4 for an inexperienced builder UNLESS they had a zillion feet of ethernet cable, or had the modem a few feet away OR felt like dragging around a huge, heavy PC and IF Windows had ethernet drivers at all.
The final ignominy? The board website was spittling out corrupt drivers, so I had to wait to install updates. Any normal person would have packed everything up and returned the whole lot. These board manufacturers have HUGE return rates, and it is easy to see why.
Sloppy on AMD's part, sloppy on the board manufacturer's part, sloppy on MS for having basic WIFI drivers that don't work AND requiring online signup to INSTALL THE FUCKING OS.
Conversely, I put the AMD 5900X system back in its old chassis, tossed in a new SSD, and Windows 10 was downloading updates 10 minutes later, all with minimal input on my part.
I also put Fedora on a 10500 Intel based laptop. 15 minutes to install and that included writing the OS to a finger drive and installing all updates. No internet needed to install OS, no online account needed AND it was fully functional. Full suite of apps ready to go. No surprise to find out that Linux desktop share doubled in one year.
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yea, i plan to run my am4's into the ground and skip am5 entirely, we'll see if 5800x3d can last 6years
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Memory Context Restore.
Yes, I've enabled all of that after I finally got into the BIOS. But having the board hang at "DRAM" indicator for 4+ minutes is awful. There's no flash or anything to say "Memory training is happening, just sit tight".
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