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Fucker said:

Board got cold feet over his effort to revive their foundry business and booted him. His immediate departure signals they are going to proceed with dropping foundry and working around CHIPS Act provisions.

Pretty much the end of US returning to forefront of foundry and will be resigned to making controllers for toasters. And then a LOT and I do mean a LOT of Intel employees will go home without employment.

I bet the board is going to 86 their discrete GPU effort, too.

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Would be a terrible waste of money for them to back out of the foundry business. But I guess anything is possible. The GPU market is saturated though, and from a business standpoint - I think that truly is a waste of money. Theyre just too far behind their competition. Even though I enjoy the "thought" of a third "real" competitor.

The new ARCs are supposed to be pretty good for the low budget PCs according to the YT usuals.

Daidraco said:

Would be a terrible waste of money for them to back out of the foundry business. But I guess anything is possible. The GPU market is saturated though, and from a business standpoint - I think that truly is a waste of money. Theyre just too far behind their competition. Even though I enjoy the "thought" of a third "real" competitor.

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The board isn't acting rationally unless Intel 18A is a dud. If 18A is a dud, then PG should have left the building in a body bag. He spent a fuckton of cash trying to get the fabs up to speed.

GPU thing I saw a long term project. Anyone's guess if the board will keep it or cut it.

Intel needs to stick to a plan instead of chasing short term stock bumps. Ignore the media for a couple of years. Arrow Lake isn't that bad. The power consumption is back in check, though still not great. The performance isn't as good as hoped but it seems like Intel can improve that like AMD from Zen 1 --> 2 --> 2.5 --> 3 / etc. There are some performance regressions that can probably be fixed with microcode updates. The launch was a disaster, but Intel needs to weather that and do better in the future. Intel does need to drop the price though, from $100 - $250 across the lineup. The mobos are too expensive too, but so were Zen 4 boards for the first 6+ months at least. Intel does still have the better memory controller, and as the 9800X3D shows, the current AMD MC is not sufficient and is holding back the non-X3D parts. Intel should also offer 40 usable CPU PCIe lanes and target the HEDT market - 16 for the GPU, 16 with bifurcation (x8x8 / x4,x4,x4,x4) for a secondary PCIe slot (allowing for those NVMe 4x4 add-in boards or 2nd GPU for AI/ML), and another standard 2x NVMe on the mobo.

Battlemage (on paper) looks to be the GPU the market needs - 12GB with decent performance at a decent price. It's mainly about drivers and launch day support for Intel GPUs right now. Intel will also pressure AMD to improve their RT performance - Arc was already better at RT than AMD was in many cases, so AMD can't afford to be third place. Even Intel's XeSS was pretty solid and better than FSR1 was for sure, and often even better than FSR2.

The server side is decent too. Yes, everybody loves 128c and 192c Zen servers, but Intel does some things better/faster than AMD does with their accelerator add-ons. They probably need to drop prices a bit, but also simplify their line-up and make more of their accelerators default instead of addon purchases.

I know the meme is for Musk to buy it, but I would consider it were I him He would probably get favorable terms/benefits from the Trump administration for it, and it is in the USA's national interest to have an in-country modern CPU design and manufacturing company. I know we'd still need an ASML equivalent, but we cannot be dependant on TSMC and Samsung without giving up some self-interest.

Looking at this for a prebuilt. 400 discount currently.

Wingz said:

Looking at this for a prebuilt. 400 discount currently.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D5KGB9ZK/?tag=bgfg-pcguide-us-20&geniuslink=true

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Pricing seems okay I suppose. Here is one attempt at similar specs for $1,800 - 7900X, 4070 Super, but 64GB RAM (no Windows key, no junk kb/m). The rest (360 AIO, NVMe, PS, Case, and probably the mobo) are better than what that prebuilt will offer. Some opportunites to go lower:
Can save $40-$50 with a different PS
Can save $90-$100 with 32GB
Can save $20 with a different 2GB NVMe
Can save $50-60 going with an air cooler instead of the AIO
Can save $130 by going with a 7600X (esepcially if you plan to ugprade to an X3D "soonish")

Here's a 7950X for just under $1800 using most of the recommendations above. Same price currently as a 9800X3D if you can find one ($480).

If you aren't tied to the 4070 Super you can pick up a 7800XT for $450-$500 and save another $100+. It won't be as fast, but probably still fast enough.

Lanx said:

controller plugged in shit is annoying, on my htpc i game w/ a ps5 plugged in and i have to remember to unplug it or i have no sound if i watch shit b/c the sound defaults to the shitty ps5 speaker, no matter how many times i try to lock or default the speakers to my main speakers... nope ps5 weenie speaker has priority.

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I thought that I might have had something like that happening, but my issue was my computer not turning on the screensaver.

What helped sometimes resolve it is to run cmd powercfg -requests to find if something is running in the background like an audio device... despite nothing actually playing, so you'd have to close audio players or whatever might be triggering it and hope that it satisfied Windows.

Turns out that Windows is retarded, who knew?

I recently cloned a hard drive and had several audio issues despite having the same speakers and screen plugged in after. Windows would maintain prior sound settings as a "blank" output option for each app until manually selected. For applications like the Netflix app for Windows, which is in reality a Microsoft Edge wrapper, you had zero audio and no app listing until you opened an edge window to load a youtube and change its setting. Then that would immediately carryover to Netflix and any other apps with the same dumb setup, but only after that first step would it let you set them normally.

Jovec said:

Battlemage (on paper) looks to be the GPU the market needs - 12GB with decent performance at a decent price. It's mainly about drivers and launch day support for Intel GPUs right now. Intel will also pressure AMD to improve their RT performance - Arc was already better at RT than AMD was in many cases, so AMD can't afford to be third place. Even Intel's XeSS was pretty solid and better than FSR1 was for sure, and often even better than FSR2.

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Maybe I was too optimistic. Raster performance is around 6700xt/6750XT which could be bought for ~$300 for the last few years. RT performance is around 7700XT levels, so much better than 6700XT/6750XT but probably speaks more to how behind AMD's RT generally is. The reality is that this level card probably isn't running any heavy RT effects anyway at decent FPS. Launch drivers seem to be in good shape too, though not perfect.

Lanx said:

compared to all the new logo shits we've seen, this is great

also on a related note for microsd, i've always tried to buy the name brands in hopes of getting high transfer speeds, never got, i just want like old sata hd performance at least, nope i get 20mb, until i got a samsung something pro w/ their card reader. and it was blazing fast at 120mb, wth. but then i just decided to put in a different memory card but use the samsung card reader, where i was getting 20mb, this skyrocketed to like almost 80mb

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Candick is their new name?

Cables. Display port to HDMI. What's a good cable?

Brahma said:

Cables. Display port to HDMI. What's a good cable?

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Whatever you can find on Amazon, probably. You can go with dongles, converter cables, or a USB type hub.

One of the better LTT videos from back when they tried to be tech media. Cables are hard. Amazon Basics did surprisingly well, but anything from Infinite Cables is probably the best bet for guaranteed spec compliance. If I was trying to push high resolution, high refresh, etc. I'd probably buy from two different brands and make sure the setup is working before doing any cable routing. I could not get 4K working on a new setup until I finally swapped out the old HDMI cable I was using (after trying a whole bunch of software/OS things first). Well worth the extra $20-30.